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Matucana pachanoi. 2
#26221535 - 10/01/19 12:46 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been trying a seed line of 54 Matucana pachanoi. A few people on trichocereus growers unite are growing this seed line but they are still small.
Out of the nine I've tried seven have been better than other pachanoi I've dosed with. Four have been very good. With two of those exceptional.
The depth of the experience with the seven good ones is equivalent to named bridgesii clones I've tried. The two best are better than everything I have tried.
I know there are two popular potent clones out there. Ogunbodede and Landfill. There don't appear to be any trip reports though about them.
Anyone else tried Matucana pachanoi seedlings or clones? If so were they really good or not.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana] 1
#26221802 - 10/01/19 06:42 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’ve never even heard of Mutucana , and I’ve been researching interesting psychoactive cacti for a long time , this is exciting :3 What is it?
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Tripsten]
#26222699 - 10/01/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haven’t tried them but they should be decent if there truly from Matucana.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: SFS96]
#26222866 - 10/01/19 03:33 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heyowana do your Matucana pachanois have a distinct phenotype or are the looks varied? I'd be interested to know if that type has a certain look to it.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Grey Fox]
#26222930 - 10/01/19 04:24 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wait I’m so confused.. you’re eating seedlings..?
There’s not a lot of trip reports of popular clones because most people like to form a relationship with these living (and expensive ) slow growing plants rather than killing the entire thing to get high for a few hours
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Ohhh I’m dumb lol I thought you were saying Matucana was a whole different cacti like Neoraimondia But it’s a clone, I should have known from “Pachanoi” in the name lol
Ok sweet So it’s a good clone then I assume ? Are some clones consistently better than others and if so what in your experience are the best and usually most free from BS and fakers
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Tripsten]
#26226160 - 10/02/19 09:49 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for contributing everyone.
They are a seedline. Seeds are sourced in Matucana from plants that go into the witches brews the vendor says. They are a bit over 3 yesrs old now. I' m cutting them at 32 inches or taller. I keep the top 6-8 inches to regrow.
The rest weighing from 1250-1500 grams I slow boil for 24 hours once its chopped up. My slow combustion fireplace is only going at night. So it takes about 3 days to brew it up. I then strain it and reduce to about a cup and a half and store it in the fridge for the coming weekend.
Its very high quality. Yowie and Bogan for example don't do it for me. These Matucana pachanoi are strong like good bridgesii except a bit crazier. LSD is supposed to be the most psychedelic substance. I think cactus is very under rated. These give me mind and body fuck to a high degree.
More people should be growing these seeds.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Grey Fox]
#26226180 - 10/02/19 09:56 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grey Fox said: Heyowana do your Matucana pachanois have a distinct phenotype or are the looks varied? I'd be interested to know if that type has a certain look to it.
They have a distict look. Very fat for a pachanoi. Ribs are blunt so they look quite round unlike PC phenotype. Spine length varies. Its looking like about a 50:50 ratio of short spine to longer spines.
So far the last two short spine ones were crazy potent. Before that all the longer spine ones I tried were good. Two short spines were weak. Last two were by far the best of the lot.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Grey Fox]
#26226304 - 10/02/19 11:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just went and had a look at them. There are 30 very short spine ones. 20 longer spine and 4 that have spines as long as Icaro peruvianus. I have a good Icaro out of 6 tried with 4 remaining to try.
I only had one Los Gentile peruvianus which is from a seedline. It was good. Stronger but less euphoric than the good Icaro.
The seven Matucana pachanoi out of the nine tried are in a different class to the good Icaro and Los Gentile peruvianus. Much stronger, deeper more psychedelic effect.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana]
#26226547 - 10/03/19 03:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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They knock me around. Next day feel very wasted and wooden like when trying to move around. End up being zombie like ( sure there's a better phrase ) and just wanting to lay down and sleep.
Good bridgesii like Tig, Kai and HB06 produce a similar reaction for me. I think the second last I call MP 9 - shortspine was the strongest. Just wrecked me. Way too strong. Just felt like a skeleton in the end stripped of all thoughts and feelings. Upside down with my feet resting on a thick wooden post. Waiting for this little vomit man beastie to come along and devour me. It didnt happen however.
Last one was that overpowering from the time it got going. I didnt throw up repeatedly on it like no 9. I'd just put my head in my hands and think why have I done this. Half that weight and it would have been fine I think. Some of them have a blue tint to their skin. No 10 the last tried is one of those.
Cactus trips are that intricate with all the amazing flouro colours in OEV and insights that its hard for me to describe what's going on. It's much easier to describe a mushroom trip for me.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana]
#26226874 - 10/03/19 09:05 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Matucana is a region of Peru, but not a cactus type-- you should change that to avoid confusing people-- and they're not usually pachanoi's, they're most often peruvianus.
You can learn more here:
https://trichocereus.net/trichocereus-peruvianus-from-matucana/
***I edited to reflect poor wording- I know there are hybrids and overlap between regions.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: coAsTal]
#26226950 - 10/03/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’m almost positive there’s both pachanoi and peruvianus in Matucana I believe T. pach Ogunbodede is from Matucana
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: coAsTal]
#26226952 - 10/03/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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No you are wrong. I cant learn all I can from that article. Read it before. It's Matucana peruvianus ie peruvianus from Matucana. I'm talking about Matucana pachanoi ie pachanoi from Matucana. Which begets the question no harm intended. Are you simple?
It's obvious that I am talking about Matucana. The name is in capital letters every time I mention it. We take for granted that its of the Trichocereus genus. I make sure to mention the species as pachanoi.
I have mentioned other peruvianus species that come from Matucana. Such as Icaro peruvianus and Los gentile peruvianus. My reasons for this was to speculate about specimens which clearly show signs of cross breeding between peruvianus and pachanoi from Matucana.
The fact that only four look peruvianus is pretty good odds that they are pachanoi from Matucana or more concisely Matucana pachanoi. The article states that peruvianus from that region are sort after. So are pachanoi from that region. If I was to say to you Yowie is an example of an Equadorian pachanoi wouldn't it be obvious I was talking about a pachanoi from Equador.
Next question have you tried any Matucana pachanoi? Oh d
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: SFS96]
#26226954 - 10/03/19 09:43 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure you are correct.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana]
#26226958 - 10/03/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that both Pachanoi and Peruvianus grow in that area, though I've never been there.
Heyowana thanks for that info. Bridgesii are strong. A high dose Bridgesii trip is no joke, and it keeps going and going and going...
My Juuls Giant is probably closest in phenotype to what you describe with those fat, short spined pachanoi from Matucana.
Interestingly, I have a couple of trichos of unknown lineage that also have that type of look. I have been calling them Scopulicola or Scopulicola hybrids because they have really broad ribs, even broader than the Juuls. From what I can tell that appears to be the main difference between Scop and short-spined Pachanoi: the scops have fewer, broader ribs, although Pachanoi can get a similar look when really swollen with water. Those scops have been the strongest trichos that I have encountered so far other than bridgesii.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: SFS96]
#26226960 - 10/03/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't mean to muddy the waters, but the vast majority of the cacti there in that specific region are macrogonus/peruvianus and related-- the OP could post more details other than just "seedline" which is vague, in order to specify/explain better what he's referencing--
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: coAsTal] 1
#26226998 - 10/03/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do agree the vast majority are macrogonus/peruvianus from that area. There are totally pachanoi there’s also. He may not even know what he has, they could possibly all be hybrids. It really depends on if the seeds are from a trustworthy source.
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: coAsTal]
#26227003 - 10/03/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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How can I get good potent clones like the ones you guys speak of , do you grow your own ? If so how do yo I do that ? Must I live in work climate ? Cause I’m on the east coast
Some fried and dangerous shit happened to me and my friend some time ago during our psychedelic journeys and I decided to discipline myself and study a bunch of stuff and all around try to grow before I got back into the psychedelic landscape I believe I’m at that point in my life where I’ve healed from the trauma I went through and am fixing my bad habits I still want to stick to only doing cactus So I’ll be looking for refreshers and new info before I go about it in earnest Have a tar dose in the freezer that’s been waiting for the upcoming moment for quite some time
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: Heyowana]
#26227333 - 10/03/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really appreciate you sharing your info with us Heyowana-- I apologise if I came off unkindly-- I look forward to getting more information about the specific seed types you have worked with so we can all work towards identifying more effective plants!
Also, how about some pics so we can put a face to the descriptions!
Tripsten, this is a great resource to grow very healthy cactus in your region:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9528339#9528339
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Re: Matucana pachanoi. [Re: coAsTal]
#26227698 - 10/03/19 03:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry for my attitude but the name of this thread says it all. People who have experience with this type of pachanoi I would love to hear from. I also apologise for not having a computer. Just my mobile phone.
About 2016 a fellow started a thread on the ethnobotanical forum called 'Landfill'. His mate had given him a cutting of a potent cactus called Landfill.
Many people were saying that it looked like a scopulicola. Until the TI's said no it was a true pachanoi.I guess you could read keepertrout's notes about pachanoi from Matucana. He has a pic of the Ogunbodede clone from Matucana.
Mine have that fat look to them. Spine length varies but generally is shorter than say on pachanoi clone Bogan and Rod. Mine are a thicker cactus. Yowie is a thick cactus of pachanoi type. Mine are thick like that. They have shorter spines however.
Guess written descriptions don't mean much. The vendor is well known in Australia. There are pictures of young plants from this seed line on trichocereus growers unite.
I posted some pics of them a couple of years ago on the dropbear awareness forum. Under the cacti garden thread. Starting to look like not many people have tried pachani from Matucana. I can understand when I read the price that high potency pachanoi clones go for on ebay.
Couple of years ago landfill clone 11 inches sold for 259 dollars US from memory. Here in Australia we can only get seeds and grow them. Strict customs laws prevent us having clones like Ogunbodede and Landfill. Only way I can find out is to ask though.
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