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feldman114
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: newtomyc]
#26253353 - 10/15/19 08:50 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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SporePrince
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: bodhisatta]
#26265351 - 10/20/19 12:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Jar > vacuum bag Glass and metal far less porous than even nylon is
It's true that glass and metal are less porous than plastic, but I think the air inside the jar will still have moisture which the mushrooms can absorb.
Maybe a system like this would help:
https://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-vacuum-seal-a-mason-jar/
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micelio
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I like storing small amounts in a mason glass jar.
A simple way to put a vacuum In a jar:
Put your product into a jar and heat It up with a hair dryer/heat gun for approximately 1 minute or more.
Place metal lid and ring on jar and tighten. You'll have a nice vacuum when jar cools..
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: micelio]
#26267234 - 10/21/19 11:23 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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For someone who just lost a pound recently to a small puncture in a gallon bag, I went kinda anal on testing things this year. I bought a vac-sealer too, which hasn't been as easy or foolproof as expected.
I bought a set of 8 amber half-gallon mason jars at the beginning of the year, and these have out-performed all my bags that I've tested. I stick a thin layer of desiccant packs across the bottom and load it with mushies. These are for my personal ones since they really waste a lot of space. They block out over 90% of sunlight and keep it air tight. They're my favorite.
I no go way overboad on other things: for anything I give away that's an oz or larger I will put in a ziplock, suck/press all the air out, then seal that bag (fuck just using the "zipper"), then I seal that bag in a proper vac-bag. I've had WAY too many "user error" complaints for storing these from people who will reach out a month later and be like "still good?" And I gotta be like "does it still snap when you bend it?"
Anyways, I'm going to go with jars too. I've been debating that (for personal supply) powderizing my dried fruits before loading them up into the jars so I can probably fit a few oz per quart. I worry that what I give away people will find issue with just getting powder... so it would be 100% for personal use. I already do this for anything that goes into pills for microdosing, I have a huge half gallon with all my "ugly" fruits in powder form (anything that was heavy spored on or that was crushed from other reasons).
I'm curious what the resutls will be. I'm voting mason jars.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: ShaperDreaming] 1
#26267349 - 10/21/19 12:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm still a bit curious about pulverizing before storing.
Wouldn't the greatly increased surface area greatly increase the absorbency? So, any time you expose them to a normal atmosphere, their spoilage rate would be thusly increased?
Maybe it's less significant than I'm assuming. I encapsulate all of those I powder, so I really don't have any personal input beyond theory.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: footpath]
#26267383 - 10/21/19 12:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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5 mil Quart mylar bags, oxygen absorber and desiccant in each then heat sealed works very well long term for an oz
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LtLurker
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: DredgeMyEyes]
#26267389 - 10/21/19 12:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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stareatclouds
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: LtLurker] 1
#26267971 - 10/21/19 05:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you're at a much greater risk of potency loss when you powder your fruits. Anyway, regular Ziploc (no zipper, those are terrible) and then vac-seal and you're good forever.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: stareatclouds]
#26268045 - 10/21/19 06:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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stareatclouds Thanks for the tip..
I used 3 sandwich bag for each ounce, I did 14 ounces last week. 2 ounces went into each vacuum seal bag. All the bags are rock hard.
That did the trick. You got to puncture proof each vacuum bag so not to get any pin holes. It wasn't necessary to try to vac the sandwich bags just the vacuum bags.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26253233#26253233
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stareatclouds
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: micelio]
#26268099 - 10/21/19 06:41 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No doubt. And it should go without saying that you should double-check the vacuum-sealed bags throughout storage and especially soon after sealing. My sealer kind of sucks and I'd say 1 out of every 8 or so bags starts inflating after. The Ziploc keeps them safe for the time being so it's whatever, just sucks.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: stareatclouds]
#26268130 - 10/21/19 06:53 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those zipper ziplocks do suck 
I had a good sewer at one point. But like stare said, after a while some of them reinflate. The sealer I have now is awesome though it works fantastic. It is new though. With time all things may fail at some point.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#26268189 - 10/21/19 07:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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ShaperDreaming said: For someone who just lost a pound recently to a small puncture in a gallon bag
What do you mean by lost a pound?
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mushboy] 2
#26268223 - 10/21/19 07:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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 They'd have to be pretty far gone for me not to throw them back in the dehydrator and check potency once dry. Were they moldy?
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#26268224 - 10/21/19 07:28 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd just double the dose
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mushboy]
#26268532 - 10/21/19 09:17 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was wondering about that also.. usually find bendy shrooms to still be plenty potent, even after long term
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stareatclouds
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: pixelpopper]
#26268814 - 10/22/19 01:26 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unless you're storing them in a swamp, even a compromised bag shouldn't even come close to ruining the fruits. They'd likely be a little bendy and just need to be dried again. The jury is still out on potency loss in that scenario AFAIK so at the worst, I'd just dehydrate them again and sprinkle them evenly into the next bags.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: stareatclouds]
#26269161 - 10/22/19 08:41 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you, this is very helpful. I had my first few batches stored in zip-seal bags and they went bendy very quickly. I re-dried them and stored in glass mason jars and they're still cracker dry a month later. Is potency likely to degrade much in cracker-dry fruits, in a few months say? I don't get much chance to trip these days but I hope they'll still be good when it's time to get them out.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Tattersail]
#26269242 - 10/22/19 09:24 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was originally planning ziplock freezer bags inside a jar with some silica packs. Still sounds like a good option.
What I'm reading makes me a little worried about the only 20g I have left (still haven't gotten my first grow in) sitting in a freezer bag in the cupboard with like 30g worth of silica packs. I should get a jar....
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stareatclouds
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McDominator]
#26269680 - 10/22/19 12:36 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your fruits will be fine forever if they're kept away from moisture. A Ziploc bag alone won't do that as they're porous, easily compromised, and will eventually take in air. They're good for short-term with the air sucked out and double bagged. A mason jar with a desiccant pack is perfect long-term. Once you run out of jars, you'll look into sealers.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: stareatclouds]
#26269741 - 10/22/19 01:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Your fruits will be fine forever if they're kept away from moisture. A Ziploc bag alone won't do that as they're porous, easily compromised, and will eventually take in air. They're good for short-term with the air sucked out and double bagged. A mason jar with a desiccant pack is perfect long-term. Once you run out of jars, you'll look into sealers.
Thank you. What would you consider short term? A few months?
What would you recommend for a sealer?
Lots of great info in this thread. And still eager to see the results of the experiment Good science is repeated science. I appreciate you taking the time verum.
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