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verum subsequentis
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: AyePlus]
#26218255 - 09/29/19 11:44 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've done a bit of that myself.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#26218275 - 09/29/19 11:50 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hmm.. what about glass mason jar, purged with CO2 or argon, has anyone done that before? Probably too much hassle
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: iux]
#26218283 - 09/29/19 11:51 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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That has been done. Not by me though.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: TeaforTwo]
#26218294 - 09/29/19 11:53 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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More importantly:
1. Are you washing your fruits before drying?
I always wash my fruit just to be safe.
2. How much time is your drying process taking?
I personally have a rule of 12 hours max for any amount. You don't want a drying system that takes too long.
3. Are they cracker dry when finished....meaning you can snap them like a cracker.
Check the biggest part of the base on the biggest fruit.
4. After 7 days in storage can you take a dried fruit out and snap it like a cracker?
I use screw top glass jars with a couple of teabags thrown in for dried fruit storage
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: pickle jar pete] 2
#26218324 - 09/29/19 12:00 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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More importantly? I don't follow.
1. fuck no 2. Entirely depends on how loaded the dehydrator is 3. I know what cracker dry means. Personally, i don't trust it. I dry until the fattest bastard quits losing weight. 4. Why 7 days. If your tub gives you a dry half pound you need to be able to store it properly for more than a week.
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yeah pete idk how any of those points matter. Why the actual fuck would you ever "wash" your fruits? how do you go about that?
Question for Verum tho: you say you dry until your largest fruit quits losing weight. assuming, you note initial weight, and then set times for observations, how long does it take for you to effectively dry your harvests? well say the dehydrator is full, for scenarios' sake. How long does the fruit have to stop decreasing in weight before you conclude that it's ready for storage? I like the idea of measuring dryness that way, because really i dont trust it either, just testing even 6 or 7 fruits wont give you a completely accurate reading of the entire harvest.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: pickle jar pete]
#26218390 - 09/29/19 12:27 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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pickle jar pete said: 1. Are you washing your fruits before drying?
I always wash my fruit just to be safe.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: pixelpopper] 1
#26218488 - 09/29/19 01:18 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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i only weigh the fruit initially if i'm curious about total water weight. I don't typically do that though because i don't care. Even so, you'd have to weigh the entire harvest before and after drying to come up with an adequate % of water weight lost. I've done that a time or two and generally land between 8% and 11%.
I take the fattest fruit in the load and place it on the top rack. This is because it's farthest away from the heating element and will potentially be picking up moisture from the fruits below it. For these reasons it'll be the last to dry completely.
I'll just let it roll until i think it's almost done. This entirely depends on how heavy the dehydrator is loaded. My dehydrator is huge. I made it out of a stand up freezer. I never load it to max capacity because it can hold what will dry to around.... 5 pounds? I don't actually know because i don't cram her full. Reason being it'll take to long to finish and i don't like the fruits to be in danger longer than needed.
Another factor in drying time is what culture i'm drying. I grow a lot of PE genetics and they can be rather chodeish little fuckers. Regardless though, I can dry around a pound in around 24 hours. Two pounds takes closer to 36 (let it be noted though, these are just educated guesses. I haven't taken great notes on this subject). So, I let it roll until it's close to done and then i weigh the fat lady. I right down the time and weight and then check back a little later. I like to give her about an hour between weighing but it's not a science. I just do this until it stabilizes. You can get a pretty good feel for it. If you check it an hour later and it's lost considerable weight, it's got some time still. If you check and it's barely dropped, you're almost there.
I quit trusting the cracker dry snap test when i started doing this and found that certain types of fruits can appear to be "snapable" and still have water in them.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26218551 - 09/29/19 02:02 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Glass and metal far less porous than even nylon is
Certainly, but I would still guess it would take far longer for air/moisture to penetrate the nylon poly bag than it would for the mushrooms in the jar to absorb the moisture from the air.
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I like that answer V, thanks.
How do you actually store your fruits, in practice? I vac seal by the oz and just leave them in a dark cabinet. Havent notice any weight change, i note the weight on the bag, and i take that measurement seconds before it goes in the bag. I always reweigh the whole bag before weighing out doses from it, and i dont think i've noticed any change at all. I will say, i rarely store mushrooms for long.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: jbgtaa]
#26218580 - 09/29/19 02:18 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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vac seal for long term. Double ziplock storage or freezer bags for short term. I always make sure that I'm sure fruits are totally dry before vac sealing.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: eatyualive]
#26218774 - 09/29/19 04:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: NothingsChanged]
#26219351 - 09/29/19 10:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice to see you documenting this.
So far I have settled on two freezer bags with three 5g D-packs with the mush and three more between the outer bag and inner. Then put inside a closed cardboard box. When the moisture activated chunks start to turn blue on the outer side I look at the inner and they stay clear. Then I replace the outer ones with fresh ones.
I did neglect a stock of RW in my closet half way through the summer and the inner ones were blue as well on inspection. I opened the bag and a few had a slight bend. I set the bendiest ones aside to eat in the dehydrator to see how severe potency loss would be for em. I re-dehydrated the whole bag and took 6 grams the next day to see if any potency was lost and they still delivered so I my mind was pretty eased with the stability of potency. I'm sure if left bendy for months though it would be a different story.
During the humid summer, on main floor level, in a closet, in a cardboard box, 2 bagged, with three 5g D-packs in each bag; comes to about 2 humid summer months before moisture starts getting through the moisture barriers.
Ziplock gallon Freezer bags are definitely for short term storage and are not set and forget. Probably less time in nasty humid places like Florida or Mississippi.
That's just my sample to contribute to the experiment.
Will be interesting which type of synthetic material you find to work the best.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
#26219356 - 09/29/19 10:25 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have stored cracker dry mushrooms in quart glass jar with a little desiccant at the bottom for over ten years with no noticeable potency loss.
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verum subsequentis said: I quit trusting the cracker dry snap test when i started doing this and found that certain types of fruits can appear to be "snapable" and still have water in them.
How accurate are you measuring? Not contesting, just comparing. Last couple dehydrator runs i've checked the last 2-3 hours, and i use my 0.1g scale and call it good enough once it stabilizes. I do have a 0.001g scale, and i'm highly doubting that it's necessary.
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Looking forward to seeing your results.
Vacuum sealed bag with a desiccant packet for me.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: DongBongSilvers]
#26219831 - 09/30/19 08:16 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McLovin333]
#26219870 - 09/30/19 08:39 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice experiment Verum!  I' usually use glass,but when jars are slim,I double freezer bag them with a desiccant packet,and stuff the bags in sealed 5 gal buckets.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#26220123 - 09/30/19 10:47 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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verum subsequentis said: I quit trusting the cracker dry snap test when i started doing this and found that certain types of fruits can appear to be "snapable" and still have water in them.
How accurate are you measuring? Not contesting, just comparing. Last couple dehydrator runs i've checked the last 2-3 hours, and i use my 0.1g scale and call it good enough once it stabilizes. I do have a 0.001g scale, and i'm highly doubting that it's necessary.
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