|
mistermushly

Registered: 01/11/20
Posts: 192
Last seen: 11 months, 22 days
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: fahtster]
#27138967 - 01/10/21 03:35 AM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
|
|
still hoping for the results from this
too late to return my food sealer at this point - but I thought it was curious that the food sealer performed the worst of the 3 ( this is a reference to the beginning of the thread in which a mason jar, a ziplock, and a food sealer battle it out to see which can retain the least weight - and presumably the greatest potency )
On a relevant note to maintaining potency when storing, I did stumble across this thread which was interesting
in which EvilMushroom666 advises...
"Take your cracker dry fruits and place them into a 1 pint or 1L mason jar. Next mix baking soda and vinegar in a large cup and let the reaction take place. The reaction will produce carbon dioxide gas which you will be replacing the oxygen in your container with.
Pour the C02 from the glass(as if you were pouring honey) into the jar careful not to spill any of the vinegar and baking soda mix into the jar. You obviously will not be able to see anything.
To test that all the oxygen has been replaced with C02 take a lit match and place it into the jar. It SHOULD be extinguished if there is no oxygen present.
Seal your jar, store in a dark dry place and your fruits will retain potency for 1-2 years easily. "
|
mistermushly

Registered: 01/11/20
Posts: 192
Last seen: 11 months, 22 days
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly]
#27444468 - 08/26/21 11:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
I hate to beat a dead thread - but was this test ever completed? It would be great to know the results!
|
bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,916
Loc: Milky way
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly]
#27444637 - 08/27/21 04:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
mistermushly said: still hoping for the results from this
too late to return my food sealer at this point - but I thought it was curious that the food sealer performed the worst of the 3 ( this is a reference to the beginning of the thread in which a mason jar, a ziplock, and a food sealer battle it out to see which can retain the least weight - and presumably the greatest potency )
On a relevant note to maintaining potency when storing, I did stumble across this thread which was interesting
in which EvilMushroom666 advises...
"Take your cracker dry fruits and place them into a 1 pint or 1L mason jar. Next mix baking soda and vinegar in a large cup and let the reaction take place. The reaction will produce carbon dioxide gas which you will be replacing the oxygen in your container with.
Pour the C02 from the glass(as if you were pouring honey) into the jar careful not to spill any of the vinegar and baking soda mix into the jar. You obviously will not be able to see anything.
To test that all the oxygen has been replaced with C02 take a lit match and place it into the jar. It SHOULD be extinguished if there is no oxygen present.
Seal your jar, store in a dark dry place and your fruits will retain potency for 1-2 years easily. "
You don't need an inert atmosphere. And the co2 produced by vinegar+soda reaction is going to be full of moisture...
|
mistermushly

Registered: 01/11/20
Posts: 192
Last seen: 11 months, 22 days
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: bodhisatta]
#27445836 - 08/28/21 01:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
That's good to know Bodhisatta, thanks-
I think the theory I suppose was depleting the air of oxygen. I did try this trick in a mason jar and it was cool to see the lighter extinguish. I suspected that a Desiccant would clear up any residual moisture, though you may have a good point.
my technique at the moment for long term storage is a pack of desiccant in a mason jar - I no longer keep frozen - sometimes I use a heat gun to warm up the jar and it creates a vacuum seal as it cools - one of the tricks in this long thread...
I was very curious to know if a food storage bag actually was more effective - though I have my doubts, especially since the study was never completed.
What's your technique for long term storage if you have one Bodhisatta?
Edited by mistermushly (08/28/21 01:09 AM)
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly]
#27528312 - 11/03/21 02:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I regret to inform you that a few different happenings in life led to this test never being completed. An unexpected move led to another unexpected move, which led to these fuckers getting lost in a mix of storage shit for quite a while. I did run across the bunch amidst the last move and was able to quickly check things out. One bag had popped open and the others had crumbled fruits. The snack bag still had a full piece of stipe available and it was far from cracker dry. I was hoping at least to weigh them but the powdered fruits would make it impossible to get exact answers. The jar was still good but I'm not sure where that ended up. Sometimes life's shit just doesn't go as planned.
|
fahtster
Now With 33%More Faht



Registered: 06/17/06
Posts: 9,721
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#27528319 - 11/03/21 02:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
A plan is usually just a list of shit that doesn’t happen.. thanks for the update
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: fahtster] 1
#27528326 - 11/03/21 03:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Nice quote. I fully intended on finishing this but yes... best laid plans. I'm not sure who mishandled the bag but shit happens.
|
Atomsplit


Registered: 01/16/21 
Posts: 1,547
Loc: SAB
|
|
I've learned a bunch from this thread and appreciate it.
--------------------
.
|
fahtster
Now With 33%More Faht



Registered: 06/17/06
Posts: 9,721
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#27529525 - 11/04/21 12:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
verum subsequentis said: Nice quote. I fully intended on finishing this but yes... best laid plans. I'm not sure who mishandled the bag but shit happens.
Heh.. I have to check my vac bags every week or so.. sometimes they just spring a leak. I put a couple bags in the deep freezer.. works well in case anyone wanted to know.. bet it adds a year+ on their longevity. I’ll let you all know in a couple years how that pans out
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: fahtster] 1
#27530661 - 11/04/21 10:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
See ya in a couple years
|
Atomsplit


Registered: 01/16/21 
Posts: 1,547
Loc: SAB
|
|
Got some amber ball quart masons for anything really special I may grow. They are really dark. Probably can't make out exactly whats in them when used!
Also going to order some those vacuum seal bags you mentioned.
Thank for everything you do Verum! Killer experiment!
--------------------
.
Edited by Atomsplit (11/08/21 07:26 PM)
|
Unknownfungi
Amateur mycologist



Registered: 09/28/21
Posts: 589
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Atomsplit]
#27535947 - 11/08/21 07:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
For the people that worried about long term storage.
Vac seal whole cracker dried fruits in mylar food bags with both an oxygen and moisture absorber made for food storage. Store the vac sealed bags in amber mason jars under a nitrogen atmosphere and add some more absorber packs or vac seal the mason jars. Store at room temperature in a dry area, out of sunlight and extreme temperature fluctuations.
Or just eat them.
|
mistermushly

Registered: 01/11/20
Posts: 192
Last seen: 11 months, 22 days
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#27536076 - 11/08/21 09:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Although it's admittedly a bummer that it didn't go to completion -
thank you for conducting the experiment Verum, with the community here in mind 
I did pick up some helpful tricks and insight along the way.
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly] 1
#27536181 - 11/09/21 01:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
My pleasure. We'll do it again someday.
|
BeardedOwl
Stranger
Registered: 10/21/21
Posts: 1
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
|
A thought on glass jars: assuming they have a perfect seal and no GE, they will not gain any weight, BUT this doesn't mean that the fruits inside them haven't gained weight by taking up moisture from the jar's own air. Maybe if you had weighted just the fruits instead of the whole jar, you would have seen a slight weight increase.
For what it's worth, I think jars are the best storing method, but if you do that experiment again, I suggest measuring just the fruits.
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: BeardedOwl]
#27548141 - 11/18/21 10:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I did but it really doesn't matter now.
|
Ill-bird
Registered: 12/14/11
Posts: 1,782
Loc: Amsterdam
|
|
I’ve made chocolates and stored them in the freezer over 5 years and they were as strong as fresh, also amber mason jars with a few desiccate packs last just as long. How long are you guys trying to store them? 🤣
|
Boogieman47
Let's boogie



Registered: 03/05/16
Posts: 9,712
Loc: Under your bed
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Ill-bird] 2
#27580710 - 12/14/21 01:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Verum what up broham ?? And all you other cool dudes and chicks thought I’d say hello just searchin the forums for any info on potency loss ect but hope everyone is good be safe you guys
|
MLPismyOPSEC
That One Ponyfucker


Registered: 11/13/18
Posts: 884
Loc: Equestria? Mordor? Wester...
Last seen: 9 months, 24 days
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Boogieman47]
#27581208 - 12/14/21 01:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
What up boogie!
Verum; hope the moves all worked out in the end and that they are for the better, that's the more important thing. About the test, i keep my LME double bagged in freezer ziplocs. We all know how hydrophilic that shit is and it barely sticks to the bag 2 years later (on the nose, i last ordered it Dec 2019). So for my fruits i single freezer bag plus a small desiccant packet and not worry about it.
|
verum subsequentis
seeker of truth



Registered: 03/22/16
Posts: 8,732
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
|
Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: MLPismyOPSEC] 1
#27582427 - 12/15/21 12:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Hey boog. Nice to "see" ya. Hope you're doing alright.
MLP, Thanks for the details. I've also been quite impressed with the gallon freezer ziplocs. So long as the person sealing takes care to do it properly, they work pretty fantastically.
|
|