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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly]
    #26981839 - 10/12/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I really appreciate your dedication to this little test. Looking forward to seeing the final results.

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: unsightlyrogue]
    #26981844 - 10/12/20 04:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

thanks

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26981865 - 10/12/20 04:26 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Wonderful thread to find. Thx


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26981916 - 10/12/20 04:53 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i'm eager to see the 1 year results too.

verum, you should buy another brand new scale of the identical model and see if it shows a different value. sometimes those inexpensive scales can drift over time. you should also buy one that is a different model just to confirm.

j. jack flash had some great comments on page 6 that sums it up.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: FriedEgg]
    #26981944 - 10/12/20 05:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

great points.

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: FriedEgg]
    #26982114 - 10/12/20 06:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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FriedEgg said:
i'm eager to see the 1 year results too.

verum, you should buy another brand new scale of the identical model and see if it shows a different value. sometimes those inexpensive scales can drift over time. you should also buy one that is a different model just to confirm.

j. jack flash had some great comments on page 6 that sums it up.




Why buy a new scale? Just use the calibrating weight that comes with it to see if it's still on point. Or use a nickle. Those are usually 5 grams within .02

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Becky G. Spot]
    #26982124 - 10/12/20 06:53 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

because after a year of putting items on your scale, picking it up, setting it down on the table, and maybe dropping it a few times, the scale starts to not be as accurate as a brand new scale. they don't last forever. buying a new scale of the same model will tell you if your old scale is still accurate. and at a cost of only $15 it seems like a good precaution to rule out the scale accuracy skewing the results of the experiment.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: FriedEgg]
    #26982132 - 10/12/20 06:58 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I understand that can happen to scales, but it doesn't happen to the calibration weight right? That is a constant. Isn't that what it's for? To make sure that after XYZ amount of use and abuse you can check to make sure it's still dialed in? Otherwise why would lab and home scales alike come with a calibration weight?

I started selling weed when I was 12 years old. I've had scales fail, but never the calibration weight.

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Becky G. Spot]
    #26982211 - 10/12/20 07:37 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26982254 - 10/12/20 07:51 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

becky g spot, i'll just quote this comment again from page 6 in regards to calibration.




Quote:

StygianKnight said:
Quote:

InfiniteDreams said:
Most scales need to be calibrated .  I assume you are recalibrating periodically.



The majority of digital scales use a type of load cell and ‘spring’ arm that doesn’t really need to be calibrated unless for extremely precise amounts or if used heavily.

People often think there’s a coiled spring in them but it’s really the spring or elastic nature of a metal that’s being referred too.  As long as it stays in its spring state the metal can be deflected (bent) and return back to its previous position.  Bent beyond this state it enters a plastic state where the bend will partly or fully ‘set’ and the metal wont return.  Too far and it breaks all together.

As load is applied the deflection of the spring metal may not be exactly linear and that is taken into account for in the original calibration, which should still be good for the vast majority of people’s scales.

There seem to be two basic calibration options.  If your scale asks you for progressively larger weights then it’s checking this deflection curve as more weight is applied.  If it just asks for a single weight then it’s mostly checking that it hasn’t been damaged.  Which is why the single weight is almost always at or close to the max capacity to fully stress the sensor and it passes or fails the test.

However it may also do what is in effect a ‘global tare’ and just accept your, say 100g, weight as the new 100g, which is potentially a great way to screw up your future weights if you guesstimate a hand full of dirty pennies like so many internet life hacks suggest.  Since this is ultimately your scale passing off accuracy onto your weights, this is best if you have a set of highly accurate weights.

Which is a whole lot to say, don’t massively overload your scale or slam things down on it, and it shouldn’t need to be recalibrated in years.  Having multiple scales with different weight ranges is better than always maxing out one scale. 

Do however change the batteries often, as they age the voltage drops on alkaline batteries and when too low it can affect measurements while still giving enough power to turn on.




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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: FriedEgg]
    #26982370 - 10/12/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

FriedEgg said:
becky g spot, i'll just quote this comment again from page 6 in regards to calibration.




Quote:

StygianKnight said:
Quote:

InfiniteDreams said:
Most scales need to be calibrated .  I assume you are recalibrating periodically.



The majority of digital scales use a type of load cell and ‘spring’ arm that doesn’t really need to be calibrated unless for extremely precise amounts or if used heavily.

People often think there’s a coiled spring in them but it’s really the spring or elastic nature of a metal that’s being referred too.  As long as it stays in its spring state the metal can be deflected (bent) and return back to its previous position.  Bent beyond this state it enters a plastic state where the bend will partly or fully ‘set’ and the metal wont return.  Too far and it breaks all together.

As load is applied the deflection of the spring metal may not be exactly linear and that is taken into account for in the original calibration, which should still be good for the vast majority of people’s scales.

There seem to be two basic calibration options.  If your scale asks you for progressively larger weights then it’s checking this deflection curve as more weight is applied.  If it just asks for a single weight then it’s mostly checking that it hasn’t been damaged.  Which is why the single weight is almost always at or close to the max capacity to fully stress the sensor and it passes or fails the test.

However it may also do what is in effect a ‘global tare’ and just accept your, say 100g, weight as the new 100g, which is potentially a great way to screw up your future weights if you guesstimate a hand full of dirty pennies like so many internet life hacks suggest.  Since this is ultimately your scale passing off accuracy onto your weights, this is best if you have a set of highly accurate weights.

Which is a whole lot to say, don’t massively overload your scale or slam things down on it, and it shouldn’t need to be recalibrated in years. - Having multiple scales with different weight ranges is better than always maxing out one scale. -  (((Becky G.- Don't max out your scale on the reggie, or buy a bigger scale.)))

Do however change the batteries often, as they age the voltage drops on alkaline batteries and when too low it can affect measurements while still giving enough power to turn on.







Unless I am way off base here... My original comments stand. Your post kind of backed me up in some respects? :shrug:

I might be a dumb girl... I dunno.

XOXOX


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Becky G. Spot] * 1
    #26982430 - 10/12/20 09:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Let's just be confident that verum recognizes the potential unreliability of consumer-grade scales.
And let's be thankful that he dedicated himself to storing dried mushrooms in an assortment of common containers to periodically weigh them for us to see how the passage of time treated each.
It's, of course, not going to be a complete observation of concrete data, but it will be something more traced and tabulated than most are willing to or have the attention span/dedication to carry out.
Let's pay it back to him by not making this thread a monkey on his back shouting, 'but, what about the precision?!'

How many of us honestly do much more than throwing a nickel on their scale every once in a while? This is bounds ahead of that.

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Becky G. Spot]
    #26982433 - 10/12/20 09:07 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Becky G. Spot said:
Quote:

FriedEgg said:
becky g spot, i'll just quote this comment again from page 6 in regards to calibration.




Quote:

StygianKnight said:
Quote:

InfiniteDreams said:
Most scales need to be calibrated .  I assume you are recalibrating periodically.



The majority of digital scales use a type of load cell and ‘spring’ arm that doesn’t really need to be calibrated unless for extremely precise amounts or if used heavily.

People often think there’s a coiled spring in them but it’s really the spring or elastic nature of a metal that’s being referred too.  As long as it stays in its spring state the metal can be deflected (bent) and return back to its previous position.  Bent beyond this state it enters a plastic state where the bend will partly or fully ‘set’ and the metal wont return.  Too far and it breaks all together.

As load is applied the deflection of the spring metal may not be exactly linear and that is taken into account for in the original calibration, which should still be good for the vast majority of people’s scales.

There seem to be two basic calibration options.  If your scale asks you for progressively larger weights then it’s checking this deflection curve as more weight is applied.  If it just asks for a single weight then it’s mostly checking that it hasn’t been damaged.  Which is why the single weight is almost always at or close to the max capacity to fully stress the sensor and it passes or fails the test.

However it may also do what is in effect a ‘global tare’ and just accept your, say 100g, weight as the new 100g, which is potentially a great way to screw up your future weights if you guesstimate a hand full of dirty pennies like so many internet life hacks suggest.  Since this is ultimately your scale passing off accuracy onto your weights, this is best if you have a set of highly accurate weights.

Which is a whole lot to say, don’t massively overload your scale or slam things down on it, and it shouldn’t need to be recalibrated in years. - Having multiple scales with different weight ranges is better than always maxing out one scale. -  (((Becky G.- Don't max out your scale on the reggie, or buy a bigger scale.)))

Do however change the batteries often, as they age the voltage drops on alkaline batteries and when too low it can affect measurements while still giving enough power to turn on.







Unless I am way off base here... My original comments stand. Your post kind of backed me up in some respects? :shrug:

I might be a dumb girl... I dunno.

XOXOX





:smile: this thread is talking about extremely precise amounts. also if you have a 1 year old scale and you're anything like me i bet your scale is heavily used. but remember we are talking about a $15 item here... it won't hurt to just spend the $15 on a brand new device and compare it with the old one to be certain.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: FriedEgg]
    #26982446 - 10/12/20 09:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

footpath said:
Let's just be confident that verum recognizes the potential unreliability of consumer-grade scales.

How many of us honestly do much more than throwing a nickel on their scale every once in a while? This is bounds ahead of that.





Aligned with my original position. Agreed.

XOXOX

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FriedEgg said:
:smile: this thread is talking about extremely precise amounts. also if you have a 1 year old scale and you're anything like me i bet your scale is heavily used. but remember we are talking about a $15 item here... it won't hurt to just spend the $15 on a brand new device and compare it with the old one to be certain.




My scales are foot soldiers that have weathered many battles. Scales are "fifteen dollar items" that came with the means to double check whether or not you need a new one. Calibration is part and parcel with scale ownership. Regardless of what you do to the scale, the calibration weight stays the same. If it reads as the weight you know the weight in fact is, then why would you need further confirmation? Calibrated is calibrated. IF a 10 gram weight reads 10 grams exactly, then why would I replace my scale, or feel the need to buy another one to verify that my control weight weighs what it is supposed to.

No mater what you do to a scale, if it reads the exact weight that you know your calibration weight weighs, then it's calibrated.

Throw your money away on unnecessary things if you want too...

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Becky G. Spot]
    #26982464 - 10/12/20 09:37 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Nice closing statement. kek

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26982489 - 10/12/20 10:03 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i guess i don't have that much faith in $15 items. at the least i'd buy a new shiny calibration weight.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: FriedEgg]
    #26982526 - 10/12/20 10:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I've been quite impressed with that little scale. I've been using it for years and it's been more that sufficient for everything i do. It's proven over and over again to be quite accurate. If it hadn't, I'd certainly bought a nicer one by now.

Footpath, as always, i appreciate your heart and words but i don't mind a little argument. So long as we all stay open minded and in pursuit of truth. However, I do hate it when it turn into a pissing contest. Ego rants kill my chub like clock work.

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26982535 - 10/12/20 10:30 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Egos can be ugly and sexy at the same time.

Wield responsibly gentlemen.

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Becky G. Spot]
    #26982538 - 10/12/20 10:34 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Right. I almost didn't use that word because it's rather undefinable and often misunderstood. I mean though ignorant pursuit of making oneself look good while accepting no logical conclusions... Or something like that.

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26982544 - 10/12/20 10:39 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

i didn't think we were arguing or either of us were trying to look good :shrug:


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