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mushboy
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: StygianKnight]
#26409845 - 12/31/19 07:54 PM (5 years, 18 days ago) |
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i always double check my scale with the ol nickel test. nickels weigh 5g
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mistermushly

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I realize this threads a bit old at this point, but it's a great source of info.
I love thoughtful experiments like this. BIG Kudos to Verum !!! Well done !!
Reading through this whole thread I think the verdict for long term storage seems like mason jars with desiccant packs.
Though a few folks touched upon the possibility of pressure sealing mason jar on top of this. overkill? I think it may add even more piece of mind...
thinking of 3 ways to do this
#1
Micelio mentioned a technique a few times during this thread...
A simple way to put a vacuum In a jar:
Put your product into a jar and heat It up with a hair dryer/heat gun for approximately 1 minute or more.
Place metal lid and ring on jar and tighten. You'll have a nice vacuum when jar cools..
#2 and Bod referenced a link https://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-vacuum-seal-a-mason-jar/ ;
#3 you can get an attachment for some vacuum sealers that seals mason jars ...
#1 looks the easiest, cleanest, and least expensive, but the cooling inside wont create moisture or anything, or become too hot and kill the potency, correct? #2 doesn't appeal to me too much - too DIY ( added parts on each jar / drilling / possibly prone to error ) #3 would work - but looks expensive and I think you need a particular brand of sealer
anyone tried any of these techniques? or do most people vacuum sealing jars is overkill? also would be curious to hear a modern opinion on freezer vs no freezer.
thanks + the more data points we have the better we can know what is proven to be effective.
Edited by mistermushly (09/17/20 03:21 PM)
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verum subsequentis
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly]
#26941448 - 09/17/20 10:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think vacuum sealing jars is a bit overkill but i'm sure it works well. This post is a bit old but that's kind of the point. It only counts if i leave them all sitting for a good while. I still have all the shit and am almost ready to take the final weights and update the post.
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I never would have thought about that with the batteries... Thanks for that tidbit.
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mistermushly

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verum subsequentis said: I think vacuum sealing jars is a bit overkill but i'm sure it works well. This post is a bit old but that's kind of the point. It only counts if i leave them all sitting for a good while. I still have all the shit and am almost ready to take the final weights and update the post.
Nice Verum! thanks for weighing in on vacuuming sealing jars, really value your opinion. besides that and sort of related, what's your opinion on freezing vs not freezing? It would make my life a lot easier if I didn't think I was losing potency by not freezing.
Really looking forward to an update of the weight results!
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly]
#26941854 - 09/18/20 07:14 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you take care to dry them thoroughly and seal them properly then i think freezing is overkill. I just dry until fully dry and then vacuum seal for long term storage. Gallon ziplock freezer or storage bags are ok for short term storage.
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Freezing also allows moisture from the outside of the bag/jar to be pulled into the bag upon opening, even if allowed to get room temp. even when freezing individual doses as to not needing to get in and out of frozen bags i still recall issues with potency lose/degradation at about the year mark. I no longer freeze but still vacuum seal individual doses when freezable. constantly opening and closing a storage container drastically reduces shelf life in my experience/opinion.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: NothingsChanged]
#26942432 - 09/18/20 01:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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that all makes sense to me except the part about "even if you allow it to come to room temp." How does that work?
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mistermushly

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#26942601 - 09/18/20 02:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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verum subsequentis said: that all makes sense to me except the part about "even if you allow it to come to room temp." How does that work?
I don't want to misrepresent NothingsChanged if I'm reading this wrong, but I think he's referring to the condensation that forms on the outside of the glass(or bag) when taken out of the freezer into a warm environment.
If you open before acclimated to room temperature, condensation can potentially form inside the jar/bag as well
... also if the bag or jar has moisture drops on the outside it's easier to accidentally transfer that inside when adding or removing mush.
--- thanks for both Verum and NothingsChanged for the valuable opinions BTW.
Edited by mistermushly (09/18/20 02:54 PM)
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: mistermushly]
#26943054 - 09/18/20 07:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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exactly.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: NothingsChanged]
#26961622 - 09/30/20 08:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking forward to the results!! Verum, it has officially been a year. Is it time?!?!!?

I just can't wait to refence this post on every "how to store" question. I've been storing POWDERED with good success in little baby single dose vials that fit 3.5g - 4g each and little baby desiccants
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McDominator]
#26961733 - 09/30/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe it is. I'm in the middle of a move at the moment but will get this did as soon as i get settled
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verum subsequentis said: I believe it is. I'm in the middle of a move at the moment but will get this did as soon as i get settled
Sweet dude. Take your damn time, moving sucks.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McDominator]
#26979390 - 10/11/20 01:52 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I guess I was wrong, but it makes sense. I knew the glass would be superior for gas exchange, but since their is so much air left in the jar without a vacuum, I assumed it wouldn't be better than the vacuumed sealed material. I'm really surprised the vacuum sealed material was that permeable.
Nice follow up. I will have to switch to jars with desiccant packets for my long term storage now!
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Posting so I can quickly find this thread to quote to people when they ask questions. Some high quality gems dropped in the body of this thread. I even screenshoted a couple for myself! Thx Verum and company!
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Funky Monkey]
#26979901 - 10/11/20 11:58 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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verum subsequentis
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Messiah of Savants said: Well I guess I was wrong, but it makes sense. I knew the glass would be superior for gas exchange, but since their is so much air left in the jar without a vacuum, I assumed it wouldn't be better than the vacuumed sealed material. I'm really surprised the vacuum sealed material was that permeable.
Nice follow up. I will have to switch to jars with desiccant packets for my long term storage now!
Ummm. Don't jump the gun there friend.
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Messiah of Savants
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Ummm. Don't jump the gun there friend.
Ummmmm. What's that suppose to mean? Your data is inaccurate??
The only reason I never used jars in the first place is for the air content in there and having no way to vacuum it out in my current/past circumstances. If the vacuum bags "leak" that much, they are much more pointless than worrying about the air in the jar if using desiccant.
Edited by Messiah of Savants (10/11/20 05:14 PM)
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Messiah of Savants] 1
#26980751 - 10/11/20 11:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just saying that the real test will be taking the fruits out and comparing their final weight with the original and that hasn't happened yet
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mistermushly

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#26980830 - 10/12/20 02:35 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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to clarify... a small scale test was done but the big ( year long ) findings are yet to come -
Really looking forward to the results!
also ( Messiah of Savants) I posted a compilation of 3 techniques to create a vacuum seal on masons about 20 posts ago.
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