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pixelpopper
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McDominator]
#26269760 - 10/22/19 01:20 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like to use freezer bags put into big azz pickle jars when I run out of mason jars. I like pickles
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: pixelpopper] 1
#26269874 - 10/22/19 02:04 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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pixelpopper said: I like pickles
I laughed harder at this than I should have. Reminded me of the I like turtles kid.
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Edited by McDominator (10/22/19 02:05 PM)
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verum subsequentis
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McDominator] 1
#26269937 - 10/22/19 02:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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i laughed too but my brain just went to gay jokes.
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interested to see numbers over time
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Tattersail]
#26270117 - 10/22/19 04:19 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tattersail said: Thank you, this is very helpful. I had my first few batches stored in zip-seal bags and they went bendy very quickly. I re-dried them and stored in glass mason jars and they're still cracker dry a month later. Is potency likely to degrade much in cracker-dry fruits, in a few months say? I don't get much chance to trip these days but I hope they'll still be good when it's time to get them out.
Like I posted earlier..
Take your hair dryer to the shrooms in the jar for a minute or two. Place the lid on while hot. You'll have a nice vacuum in the jar when It cools down. Just tap the top of the lid now and then to check If you still have a vacuum.. You should have a vacuum for a long long time...
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stareatclouds
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McDominator]
#26270297 - 10/22/19 05:51 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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McDominator said: Thank you. What would you consider short term? A few months?
What would you recommend for a sealer?
Nah, short-term for Ziploc only is usually a night or so; transport basically to a friend or whatever. Beyond that, they slowly start taking on a bit of air IME. Double bagged, maybe a few nights? Not sure, it's been a minute. But you can definitely just look at it and tell if it's taking air and re-suck the air out of it as needed and reset the clock.
The freezer quarts are pretty decent, actually, so you can reliably double bag those (or gallon) and just keep an eye on them. You're not going to ruin fruits like this, so don't worry.
For a sealer, I went to Amazon and filtered 4+ star review and under $100, I think. Found a decent little cheap one that works most of the time. And when it doesn't, I just run it again (it's usually me cutting bags too short, I think).
Trapping in a vacuum is overkill, especially with a method that seems like it could potentially trap condensation in there. Just get your mushrooms completely dry, toss in an air-tight and dry jar, throw in a new desiccant for good measure and you're done.
Also, cracker dry, i.e., snap when you bend isn't always 100% dry. I recommend weighing and checking back in an hour to see if they're still losing weight. I've always done cracker dry hand test and never had issues, but have recently noticed slight weight still coming off even w/ snap test. I weigh a whole rack after x amount of hours and compare later on.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: stareatclouds]
#26271359 - 10/23/19 09:14 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for the detailed response my friend. I've had some mushies in a bag for 2 weeks now. Going to get them into a dehydrator ASAP and then into a jar
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: stareatclouds]
#26271496 - 10/23/19 10:39 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said:
Nah, short-term for Ziploc only is usually a night or so; transport basically to a friend or whatever. Beyond that, they slowly start taking on a bit of air IME. Double bagged, maybe a few nights? Not sure, it's been a minute. But you can definitely just look at it and tell if it's taking air and re-suck the air out of it as needed and reset the clock.
The freezer quarts are pretty decent, actually, so you can reliably double bag those (or gallon) and just keep an eye on them. You're not going to ruin fruits like this, so don't worry.
This confused me a tad. I feel like you said, "just a night or so.... but you're not gonna ruin them so..." I wouldn't really know how to take that if i were trying to learn.
I double freezer or storage bag mine any time i end up with an amount that doesn't deserve busting out the vacuum sealer. They just chill in the double bags in the cupboard until i make some more magic and get it dried. Once dry i'll dump the magic from the bags on top and let em run in the dehydrator a tad. Then they all get vacuumed and the cycle continues.
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Right, I was responding with what *my* short-term storage time is for a single Ziploc, not the timer on the safety of the fruits. Sorry for the confusion. I'll clarify:
Bagging is not the best for long-term, set-and-forget storage. However, double-bagging with the air sucked out can work fine with monitoring. Within a few days (guessing), you may notice the bag isn't as tight as it initially was. Yes, this is not optimal for long-term, but this super slow inflation process didn't just flash-kill your fruits. My air-tight jars I store 6-8 ounces in aren't devoid of air and they're fine.
You can keep Ziplocs working forever by keeping an eye on them and re-sucking the air out if need be. But if left unattended long-term, you're at greater risk. I don't trust Ziplocs longer than a few days before I check on them. You aren't going to ruin your fruits with this process.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: stareatclouds]
#26271851 - 10/23/19 01:47 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] 1
#26407073 - 12/30/19 12:12 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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Updated op with
Edit 12/29/19
Alright fellow rainbow farmers. It's been 3 months and i thought it time to check in on things. The results are not what i was expecting but here we go.
snack bag
 Was 3.93 G Is 4.10 G Gained .17 G
storage bag
 Was 7.64 G Is 7.93 G Gained .29 G
Freezer bag
 Was 15.08 G Is 15.40 G Gained .32 G
Hefty slider bag
 Was 24.49 G Is 24.81 G Gained .32 G
Out Of Air vac seal bag
 Was 17.77 G Is 18.13 G Gained .36 G
Mason Jar
 Was 277.59 G Is 277.47 G LOST .12 G (what the fuck)
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Appreciate the research verum. Ever since I had most of 2# go bendy in vac seal bags I started storing in mason jars with a dissectant pack. Looks like im on the right track.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Grimsweeper]
#26407097 - 12/30/19 12:37 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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I knew the ziplocs would allow some moisture. Ive had that problem with them before. Perfectly dry fruit bodies, have gone "Bendy" over time for me with those bags. The vacuum pack surprises me a bit though. Didn't expect that.
Ive had really good luck with Mylar for long term storage.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#26407100 - 12/30/19 12:43 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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I was surprised by the vac seal too. And i can't understand how the jar lost weight.
Edited by verum subsequentis (12/30/19 12:43 AM)
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verum subsequentis said: I was surprised by the vac seal too. And i can't understand how the jar lost weight.
Maybe your scale isnt that accurate and you should account for a +-0.1 g of error?
If vaccum sealed performed as good as a ziplock then should we bother about either? At least for up to a year storage?
Fuck me, i have about 40 grams in ziplock bags
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Sankhara]
#26407264 - 12/30/19 05:03 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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Awesome. Thanks Verum, this thread is the shit. I agree that perhaps that was a weighing error initially or the scale gets jumpy perhaps.
I just finished my first grow. Sorted into quart freezer bags by the oz. Stuffed into gallon sized jars which have like 20g silica each. Not. Fucking. Around.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: McDominator]
#26407284 - 12/30/19 05:21 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ya dont see how a Mason jar loses weight...
I just bought a 100$ food saver for my mushies so I'm kinda bummed about these results...
Verum:
You should try the food saver bags or what ever brand they were again but just seal it, dont vacuum seal it...
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26407393 - 12/30/19 07:49 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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By the by, percentage gain is as follows;
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snack = 4.3% storage = 3.8% freezer = 2.1% slider = 1.3% vac seal = 2.0% jar = -0.04%
I'm pretty shocked that the slider bag gained the least, not shocked that the jar outperformed the others. I'm considering the weight loss as a zero percent gain, especially since it's an insignificant gain anyway.
Edited by MLPismyOPSEC (12/30/19 07:50 AM)
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
#26407594 - 12/30/19 10:44 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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I was about to do percentages but realized that it's a bullshit number because it involves the weight of the container. So, it's not the number we want. True percentage increase/ decrease will be calculated at the conclusion of the experiment. Then we'll weigh the fruits without their respective containers. I think maybe a year or five should do.
I appreciate all ya'll being concerned about my not knowing how to use a scale but... I weigh things quite often and quite accurately. i'll allow that this scale is a bit jumpy if there are wind currents, the scale is on an uneven surface, or the item being weighed is cooling down. Other than that, she reads pretty fucking true
That being said, I am human and do mess up (sometimes). It's all good. They went back in the cupboard and we'll check again "soon".
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Maybe the scale just needed a cooling down.
That started off as just a bit gabby but in the time it took to type it, I wonder if maybe that could show you some inaccuracy - the temperature of the unit itself.
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