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verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test * 10
    #26217242 - 09/28/19 10:49 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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As a noob I read this, that and the other about the proper way to store dried fruits. A small understanding of the proper use of the search function would yield plenty of sufficient answers (hint: check the TC box) but I figured I'd run a little test. I'm always running little tests but figured I'd share this one because.... I've never seen it done before and figure it could help a noob or two.

Anyone who's grown more than an ounce already knows what doesn't work. But what works best? I have my assumptions for sure but intend to find out. What i plan on doing is checking the weight of these little fuckers once every.... whenever. So long as i test them all at the same time I'll get a good understanding of what's up. I'm no rocket scientist but, i suppose, If they weigh more than they did last week... They're taking on water,
AKA NOT PROPERLY SEALED.

The fruits are cracker ass dry. I weighed the fruits and the bag with the fruits in them. This way I can check the weight of the entire bag without opening it up and taking the fruits out. I've sat and stared at cracker dry fruits on a scale enough times to know that those dry little homos are dying to suck up as much moisture as they can from the air. I recon the test will be a little more controlled if I'm not opening and closing them over and over for the next.... How ever long this test lasts.

The Good ol Ziploc sandwich bag
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Ziploc.com said:

Sandwhich bag uses: Packing sandwiches, pizza slices, subs, cookies, fruit, carrot sticks, chips and more.
Grab-and-go snacking.
NOT FOR MAGIC MUSHROOMS




Quote:

Someone else said:

The standard household Ziplocยฎ Brand sandwich bag is 1.5 Mil. The heavier freezer bags sold in stores are about 3 Mil. 4 Mil. = 101.6 Microns = .1016 Millimeters = 4/1000 inch.




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www.whatsinsidescjohnson.com said:

Polyethylene-Low Density is a polymer that can be used to form a plastic bag and its zip closure. It is part of the Polyethylene (PE) family, which is the most widely used plastic. Polyethylene-Low Density, also known as LDPE, is commonly used in rigid plastic containers. We use a mix of different polyethylene densities to get the ideal strength and flexibility for different bag types




Ziploc snack bag




Ziploc storage bag




Ziploc freezer bag




Hefty 2.5 gallon "Jumbo slider"
(that i don't trust)




Vacuum seal bags
I use OutOfAir bags.

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OutOfAir.com said:

OutOfAir bags are made out of 7 layers of Nylon and Polyethylene. Our bags are 4 mil thick on the gloss side and 10 mil thick on the embossed side. In comparison, FoodSaverยฎ standard bags are 3 mil thick and are made of 5 layers.
7 Layers including 2 air barriers
When comparing vacuum sealer bags it's important to know one thing: nylon is the material that actually blocks the air and moisture molecules from getting to your food. Without nylon, air and moisture would seep in through the "normal" plastic due to the vacuum inside the bag.

All vacuum sealer bags have an outer layer of nylon. To make OutOfAir bags the smarter choice we added a second nylon barrier in the middle of our bags.

What this means is that if the outer nylon layer is superficially damaged, OutOfAir bags stay sealed, and your food stays preserved.


The 7 OutOfAir layers, from outside to inside: Nylon (co-extruded PA), PE (polyethylene), LDPE (low density polyethylene), PE, Nylon, PE, LDPE.







And one of my favorite things in the world... A mutha fuckin glass jar. Don't use these for mushroom storage because they take up too much space and my jars are busy doing other things. This jar has the standard two piece metal lid with seal.




Everybody smile.



Let the games begin

Edit 12/29/19

Alright fellow rainbow farmers. It's been 3 months and i thought it time to check in on things. The results are not what i was expecting but here we go.

snack bag

Was 3.93 G
Is 4.10 G
Gained .17 G

storage bag

Was 7.64 G
Is 7.93 G
Gained .29 G

Freezer bag

Was 15.08 G
Is 15.40 G
Gained .32 G

Hefty slider bag

Was 24.49 G
Is  24.81 G
Gained .32 G

Out Of Air vac seal bag

Was 17.77 G
Is 18.13 G
Gained .36 G

Mason Jar

Was 277.59 G
Is 277.47 G
LOST .12 G
(what the fuck)



Edited by verum subsequentis (12/30/19 12:07 AM)


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26217243 - 09/28/19 10:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26217254 - 09/28/19 11:01 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Cool little experiment! I'm curious to see a few numbers over time. Surely the vacuum seal is superior, followed by the mason jar. I wonder how long those bag lifetimes could be if a desiccant packet was thrown in with one of them. Would be cool if you double each bag/jar and threw in a package and took numbers on those too.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Messiah of Savants]
    #26217256 - 09/28/19 11:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Feel free. I decided to do it like this because it'll answer the only question i need answered. Which method allows the least moisture to get in and attack my precious actives? I don't need a desiccant packet to find that out.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26217261 - 09/28/19 11:08 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You don't need to do this experiment if that's all you want to know. :wink: The nylon vacuum sealed is far superior hands down, followed by mason jar. I'd never even consider storing mushrooms long term in a zip lock baggy without a packet.


Edited by Messiah of Savants (09/28/19 11:09 PM)


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Messiah of Savants] * 1
    #26217272 - 09/28/19 11:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I'm well aware of what the outcome will be (roughly at least). I just have a thing for documenting things that i haven't seen documented. You have no clue how often I've had to answer questions about this and wished there was a clear and obvious thread i could link folks to. That is what i intend to accomplish. Thanks though


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26217346 - 09/29/19 12:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:takingnotes:


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Ill-bird]
    #26217359 - 09/29/19 12:55 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

lol i cant fucking believe that ziploc.com actually put on there not for magic mushrooms thats funny as shit


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: jcm4620] * 5
    #26217362 - 09/29/19 12:58 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I did that. Sorry, thought the joke was obvious


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26217363 - 09/29/19 01:00 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: I just figured the guy that wrote the Presto manual did the Ziploc website copywriting


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26217385 - 09/29/19 01:23 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

lol well iv always believed u so i just took your word for it i didnt fact check u or anything lol but thanx for the laugh ya i forgot bout the presto manual thats funny also


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26217391 - 09/29/19 01:29 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Zakkery]
    #26217462 - 09/29/19 03:34 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Double bagging with the air sucked out with a straw was my initial storage method before I had a sealer. Cool thread for documenting purposes.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Messiah of Savants] * 3
    #26217596 - 09/29/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jcm4620 said:
lol i cant fucking believe that ziploc.com actually put on there not for magic mushrooms thats funny as shit



No this comment is what's funny as shit.

Quote:

Messiah of Savants said:
You don't need to do this experiment if that's all you want to know. :wink: The nylon vacuum sealed is far superior hands down, followed by mason jar. I'd never even consider storing mushrooms long term in a zip lock baggy without a packet.



Jar > vacuum bag
Glass and metal far less porous than even nylon is


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26217606 - 09/29/19 06:48 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

lol ya thats a good 1 some ppl cant resist can they


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26217724 - 09/29/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

another interesting experiment. good stuff.

i like vacuum sealed half-gallon mason jars. they look killer lining the shelves in the closet, especially as the number of species in the collection increases. it's like an apothecary. or i imagine what a 'shroom dispensary would look like. but yeah, not great for space savings.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Zakkery]
    #26217817 - 09/29/19 08:52 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:takingnotes: :chemistry:


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26217845 - 09/29/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

cool test! I'd suspect the mason jars to be best, if not tied with vacuum storage bags done proper.

I may have overlooked the answer and I see the obvious storage containers, but storage location of said containers is where?  (cool dry dark shelf, dedicated or not fridge, freezer? and average temps of shelf or fridge? RH of the space, etc)

and thanks for doing that outofair bag homework, I need to see if what we have meets those standards, if not time to change!


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: TeaforTwo] * 2
    #26218230 - 09/29/19 11:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

They are all in a cabinet in a plastic grocery bag. The grocery bag is just to keep them all together so i don't get confused later. The cabinet meets all the proper requirements. Cool, dark..... you know. The RH definitely matters for life in general but not for my purposes here. I'm simply comparing different products in an effort come to, document and share some concrete conclusions.

I know that double bagging is probably safer and that desiccant packets can help but I just don't care about those aspects for this experiment.

What prompted this experiment, other than my unending desire to more fully understand what I'm doing, is the fact that i've been liking the 2.5 gallon jumbos slider bags but can't get rid of this feeling that they are inadequate. I can't bring myself to trust the slider or the plastic. So i did a little test like this and immediately found that the fruits were gaining weight rather rapidly. These fruits were double bagged and still drawing moisture from the air. So i said fuck it. It's time to run a test and share the results.


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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26218249 - 09/29/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:teabird:

I use gallon freezer bags until they reach 1/2 lb then vac seal for long term storage. Seems to be a happy compromise.


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