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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: qman] * 1
    #26218987 - 09/29/19 05:44 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Lol

Major blizzard in Montana and it's not even October.  Tornados in California.  Ya real "normal".


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26219057 - 09/29/19 06:32 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Weather is not the same as climate


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: ChardRich] * 2
    #26219208 - 09/29/19 08:05 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I honestly think that part of the GOPs reluctance to talk about dealing with climate change is that a lot of them are End-Times evangelical protestants, and it's literally a death cult.

They want shit to get as bad as possible, because their book of Bronze Age fairy tales says that's what needs to happen before their magical friend Jesus can come back.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: FiddyYearsDark] * 2
    #26219254 - 09/29/19 08:30 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

They also receive millions and millions from the fossil fuel industry :-)


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26219825 - 09/30/19 08:11 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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2019 Arctic Sea Ice Minimum Tied for Second Lowest On Record

Where do you post this but here? 

Id say politics is central to why this is happening.  So take heart.  Climate change is the biggest event in human history, and it's only going to get ever more and more intense.

All the sons of bitches are placing themselves firmly on the wrong side of this inevitable reckoning the human race is in for.  All the free marketeers a la Koch brothers S.O.B.s, the overindulgent out of touch so-called elite class gang of usurers, the shrieking religious right, the Donald Trumps, the Ted Cruz's, the Stephen Harpers, the Doug Fords...all of 'em. 

Like the inevitable rising sun, a new dawn surely must come.  A new enlightenment.  People will look back on our time as a dark age.

Shit's gonna get real once 135F heatwaves start appearing, or the oceans start to die off massively, when they have to start a new category 6 classification of hurricane and that blows into town, people are going to get very scared and then they will wake up and change.

We are looking at perhaps 8F average warming by the end of this century if we stay on the present course, the course many of our present leaders are determined to take, and it just keeps going and going from there, until it is inevitably dealt with.

The world is in for a change that has never been seen before.  Issues are going to be forced.  Deeply held delusions are going to be dragged out into the light.  This is the biggest event in human history, universal in it's reach, and perhaps it won't be resolved in any of our lifetimes, but surely before the end of the next it will be, because there isn't much more time.

A couple hundred years goes by pretty quick.








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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: meltdowner] * 3
    #26219842 - 09/30/19 08:24 AM (9 months, 6 days ago)



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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: qman] * 2
    #26220510 - 09/30/19 01:41 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

You don't see a connection between mass migration and climate change?
Didn't you just argue that climate change might not be a net negative because some places might benefit?  Isn't the other side of that coin an admission that other places will see negative effects?  Wouldn't negative climate change effects be a serious impetus to move one's ass somewhere more habitable?

Seems like it to me, but I'm interested to see why you don't think so.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26220565 - 09/30/19 02:06 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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You don't see a connection between mass migration and climate change?
Didn't you just argue that climate change might not be a net negative because some places might benefit?  Isn't the other side of that coin an admission that other places will see negative effects?  Wouldn't negative climate change effects be a serious impetus to move one's ass somewhere more habitable?

Seems like it to me, but I'm interested to see why you don't think so.




I know that climate change is used as a justification for migrants flooding into the EU, but that doesn't necessarily make it the case.

The UN stated that the reason why the vast majority of migrants flooded into the EU was for economic reasons or seeking a higher standard of living.  They wanted better wages, housing, education and future for their children.  That isn't at all correlated with climate change.

Africa had a massive population explosion and they couldn't manage it very well, that's why many want to get the hell out of there. Again, that's not related to climate change.

If climate change affects a certain area, that does NOT mean a person flees 1000-3000 miles away from their original location. So if climate change affects a certain part of Africa, that's Africa's problem, not the EU which is far removed from it.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: qman] * 4
    #26220574 - 09/30/19 02:12 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Climate change impacts all regions of earth - some more than others. As climate change increase, so will migration. Is is thought that by 2050, 1 billion people will be displaced.

https://unu.edu/media-relations/media-coverage/climate-migrants-might-reach-one-billion-by-2050.html

It seems like you would be a big proponent of preventing the worst effects of climate change given your distaste towards migration :shrug:


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: ChardRich]
    #26220629 - 09/30/19 02:39 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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Climate change impacts all regions of earth - some more than others. As climate change increase, so will migration. Is is thought that by 2050, 1 billion people will be displaced.

https://unu.edu/media-relations/media-coverage/climate-migrants-might-reach-one-billion-by-2050.html

It seems like you would be a big proponent of preventing the worst effects of climate change given your distaste towards migration :shrug:




Migration can occur for a variety of reasons and climate change doesn't give illegal immigration into Western nations anymore validity.

Every region of the globe will have to deal with their own issues, it certainly doesn't justify some sort of global migration free for all.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: qman]
    #26220636 - 09/30/19 02:42 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

You seem to be mixing your xenophobia with climate change.
Curious though, please tell me how your life has been negatively impacted by immigration?


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: ChardRich]
    #26220762 - 09/30/19 03:51 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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You seem to be mixing your xenophobia with climate change.
Curious though, please tell me how your life has been negatively impacted by immigration?




I'm just demanding that the existing immigration laws are enforced, how is that xenophobic? 

Illegal immigration brings in broke third world migrants, even Bernie acknowledges the US can't afford that to happen. Illegals dilute wages and become a tax burden for US citizens. That affects ALL US citizens, either directly or indirectly. Only The Elite benefit from this scenario, we don't need that with income and wealth inequality at a 80 year high.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/31/bernie_sanders_against_open_borders_that_would_substantially_lower_wages_in_this_country.html


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: qman]
    #26220808 - 09/30/19 04:04 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

The only reason you even know to care is due to propaganda.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26220975 - 09/30/19 05:21 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

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The only reason you even know to care is due to propaganda.




Yeah, I've been a victim of Bernie's and Russian propaganda for years now. :flowstone:


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: qman]
    #26220980 - 09/30/19 05:23 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Lol.

Ya bernie is a real commie.  He's coming for your guns so you can't make meth.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26221360 - 09/30/19 09:17 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)







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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26221418 - 09/30/19 10:15 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Doesn't matter, won't affect anything. The sea level will rise and rich people who live along the coast will have to move.

Actually it'll be a benefit overall because it'll open up new shipping routes near the north pole.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: nooneman]
    #26221423 - 09/30/19 10:19 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

At some point it gets too hot to live.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: killingravensun] * 2
    #26221463 - 09/30/19 10:55 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

A climate scientist doesn't accept it and a paper was retracted.

I guess that constitutes an offensive.  Is that supposed to have more weight than the 1000's of studies that have withstood peer review, or the overwhelming consensus of climate scientists, which never was quite 100% anyways?  It's nothing new or particularly remarkable.

Couldn't find much on  Dr. Mototaka Nakamura other than shrieking, but comment on the retracted IPCC paper was in physics.org.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26222900 - 10/01/19 04:00 PM (9 months, 5 days ago)

So called “wrong” prediction 🤣

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