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Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week * 2
    #26214946 - 09/28/19 12:09 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

2019 Arctic Sea Ice Minimum Tied for Second Lowest On Record

Where do you post this but here? 

Id say politics is central to why this is happening.  So take heart.  Climate change is the biggest event in human history, and it's only going to get ever more and more intense.

All the sons of bitches are placing themselves firmly on the wrong side of this inevitable reckoning the human race is in for.  All the free marketeers a la Koch brothers S.O.B.s, the overindulgent out of touch so-called elite class gang of usurers, the shrieking religious right, the Donald Trumps, the Ted Cruz's, the Stephen Harpers, the Doug Fords...all of 'em. 

Like the inevitable rising sun, a new dawn surely must come.  A new enlightenment.  People will look back on our time as a dark age.

Shit's gonna get real once 135F heatwaves start appearing, or the oceans start to die off massively, when they have to start a new category 6 classification of hurricane and that blows into town, people are going to get very scared and then they will wake up and change.

We are looking at perhaps 8F average warming by the end of this century if we stay on the present course, the course many of our present leaders are determined to take, and it just keeps going and going from there, until it is inevitably dealt with.

The world is in for a change that has never been seen before.  Issues are going to be forced.  Deeply held delusions are going to be dragged out into the light.  This is the biggest event in human history, universal in it's reach, and perhaps it won't be resolved in any of our lifetimes, but surely before the end of the next it will be, because there isn't much more time.

A couple hundred years goes by pretty quick.





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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26214955 - 09/28/19 12:18 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

You will never ceases my farts!

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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: XUL]
    #26214972 - 09/28/19 12:59 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Global warming could otherwise be described as "too much energy" in the system. Aren't we running out of energy though (oil and gas)?

I remain optimistic. With the development of technologies such as artificial intelligence for example, humanity could potentially harness this extra energy in the system, develop plastic eating bacteria for the oceans....etc etc. We could even use storms as an energy source (think tidal power X1000).

As with all things, balance is key. Denying climate change is a huge problem, and the emerging eco-fascist greens movement is also a problem.
As mycologists we have some responsibility for earths future I do believe. A big green movement is what we need (not the kind we have which is a power play and nothing to do with the environment)


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: JohnRainy] * 3
    #26214977 - 09/28/19 01:07 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

OP used the phrase "until it is inevitably dealt with". There is really only one way this can happen, which is when the human race is wiped out or nearly so. Then the earth can very slowly start getting better.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26215007 - 09/28/19 01:38 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

"Experts" are now 0-50 regarding global heating/cooling/"climate change":

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

https://realclimatescience.com/fifty-years-of-failed-apocalyptic-forecasts/
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions
https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/09/21/climate-experts-are-0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/



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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26215015 - 09/28/19 01:42 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

0 for 50?  By looking only at failed predictions, most of which were never backed the larger scientific community?


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26215019 - 09/28/19 01:49 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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0 for 50?  By looking only at failed predictions, most of which were never backed the larger scientific community?




My argument isn't against climate change. It's against hysteria-driven weather-based apocalyptical models used as narratives for political swing. According to Al Gore we were supposed to be under water years ago. It's not a surprise less and less people give a shit at this point. Are you surprised people are cynical, non-caring, and anti-activist on this topic, even with newer data? Have experts cried wolf one too many times?


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26215103 - 09/28/19 03:07 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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According to Al Gore we were supposed to be under water years ago.



I don't think he said that. Not that it matters. No one give damn what Al Gore thinks.

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My argument isn't against climate change. It's against hysteria-driven weather-based apocalyptical models used as narratives for political swing.



But you're all for the hysteria-driven economic-based apocalyptical models used as narratives for political swing I bet. You know the ones where a carbon tax sends the world into recession because the fossil fuel industry's profits drop slightly.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Kizzle]
    #26215116 - 09/28/19 03:23 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26215121 - 09/28/19 03:25 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

The record for hottest month in recorded history was July 2019.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26215130 - 09/28/19 03:33 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Its gonna be hot in summer and cold in winter buckle up yo :lol:


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #26215141 - 09/28/19 03:43 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Recorded history is too short a period of time to see a pattern..  right?


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26215283 - 09/28/19 06:35 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Maybe the Arctic could borrow a couple feet of land ice from Montana.
They're going to have a little extra this weekend.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-historic-storm-could-bring-up-to-four-feet-of-snow-to-montana-20190927-5d6nxhl45rhfrlsg7jhd3z664m-story.html
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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26215352 - 09/28/19 07:24 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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0 for 50?  By looking only at failed predictions, most of which were never backed the larger scientific community?



According to Al Gore we were supposed to be under water years ago.



Al Gore is not a climate scientist.  But he got a lot right.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: setarcoS]
    #26215421 - 09/28/19 07:57 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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Global warming could otherwise be described as "too much energy" in the system. Aren't we running out of energy though (oil and gas)?

I remain optimistic. With the development of technologies such as artificial intelligence for example, humanity could potentially harness this extra energy in the system, develop plastic eating bacteria for the oceans....etc etc. We could even use storms as an energy source (think tidal power X1000).

As with all things, balance is key. Denying climate change is a huge problem, and the emerging eco-fascist greens movement is also a problem.
As mycologists we have some responsibility for earths future I do believe. A big green movement is what we need (not the kind we have which is a power play and nothing to do with the environment)





No. We have enough fossil fuels to power the planet for like 10 thousand years. Just in natural gas alone the US has enough to power itself for the next thousand years. Alternative forms of energy obviously need to be found, but currently solar and wind simply aren't enough to meet demands.

If they stopped the extreme rhetoric and had an honest conversation I'd listen. But it's always "the planet is dying" "you question climate science, therefore you're evil and a heretic." The Greta Thunbergs of the world will throw us in prison the first chance they get. The under 30 crowd has been, IMO, MK Ultrad.

Based on everything I've read it's likely we'll see a trend toward a cooling ice age (right now we're in a warming interglacial period) in the next few hundred years. What is happening is pretty much par for the course of cyclical climate change. While the North Pole's ice is melting, Antarctica's ice is growing. Unfortunately, we don't know enough about the climate to give definitive answers as to what is natural and unnatural climate change. And the worst part is "climate change" is being treated as if it is ALWAYS unnatural, which is obviously untrue.

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Recorded history is too short a period of time to see a pattern..  right?




Yes. You can't compare the ebbs and flows of a few hundred years to a few hundred million. The Earth has seen far worse in terms of climate change than what is currently being observed. And as humans we have enjoyed a cool and stable climate.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: LRG]
    #26215447 - 09/28/19 08:12 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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No. We have enough fossil fuels to power the planet for like 10 thousand years. Just in natural gas alone the US has enough to power itself for the next thousand years.





Source?

The US Energy Administration disagrees with you.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Guy1980]
    #26215457 - 09/28/19 08:15 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Climate change will be almost nothing compared to the wars for resources.  So that says a lot.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: Guy1980]
    #26215471 - 09/28/19 08:22 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

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Quote:

LRG said:

No. We have enough fossil fuels to power the planet for like 10 thousand years. Just in natural gas alone the US has enough to power itself for the next thousand years.





Source?

The US Energy Administration disagrees with you.




https://www.ngsa.org/download/issues/understanding%20size%20of%20ng%20resources%20one%20pager%204_30_13update.pdf

2nd page first paragraph.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: LRG]
    #26215532 - 09/28/19 08:52 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

There is certainly not nearly enough fossil fuels for 10 thousand years of human expansion.  That just big oil lies.


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Re: Second lowest arctic sea ice on record last week [Re: LRG] * 1
    #26215535 - 09/28/19 08:53 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

I'm not worried about it.  It is what it is.  :shrug:


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