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Offlinephi1618
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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617364 - 04/29/04 06:15 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Stay Drug-Free Kids


From the fount of all true drug knowlege, the Partnership for a Drug Free America, we recieve this horrifying revalation about the incarnate evil of LSD:

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Some LSD users experience flashbacks, recurrence of certain aspects of a person's experience without the user having taken the drug again. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, and may occur within a few days or more than a year after LSD use. Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered to be an addicting drug because it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior like cocaine, amphetamines, heroin, alcohol, or nicotine.




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Offlinephi1618
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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617378 - 04/29/04 06:17 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Way to go!

You know, if you convert enough people, you get into the extra-good heaven. :wink:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617394 - 04/29/04 06:19 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

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Edited by Spooge (11/18/12 01:30 PM)


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Offlinephi1618
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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617504 - 04/29/04 06:37 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

From http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_278.html

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LSD has been part of our culture for many decades, and there have been many myths circulating that are in fact false. First of all, LSD does not in any way form crystals that stay in the body to later be dislodged, causing flashbacks. LSD is a crystalline but dissolves very easily in water, so cannot for any solid deposits. In addition to this, LSD is almost entirely metabolized within an hour of ingestion. Only about 50f the original amount ingested remains, and this is excreted in the urine. All traces are undetectable after several days and are certainly gone entirely within a couple of weeks(WWW2). This debunks the myth that LSD stays in your body forever. The main thing that keeps these rumors circulating the is fact that some people (though very few) experience "flashbacks" (generally within a few months after a hallucinogenic experience). It is generally accepted, however, that these flashbacks are not the result of LSD remaining in the system.





Don't tell anyone: I think this might be a college student's term paper.  :blush:  In any case, it uses Erowid as a reference. However, to the sceptical, the berkeley domain might lend it some credibility.

The problem is that most sources don't even mention the common myths about LSD.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617588 - 04/29/04 06:52 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

ask them where they get there info. And then show them that your info is from very highly respected individuals who know wtf they were doing. Just because its off hte internet doesent mean you ant find it anywhere else. Find some in print that gives sources and everything and then let them chew on that for a while :smile:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617680 - 04/29/04 07:12 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

DUDE!!! Yes, psilocybin and LSD are low in the toxicity index. And yes, you would have to eat your body weight or so to "OD" on shrooms. And yeah, LSD won't make you brain bleed , etc....

But don't forget the BEST argument that clears the name of the entheogens:

Psilocybin is nearly chemically identical to seratonin! OK dipshits (is what you'll tell these ignoramuses)? Psilocybin is not just some dirty fucking poison that makes you sick and that's why you trip. It causes you to hallucinate an alternate vision in the same way that seratonin causes you to perceive everyday normalcy. Psilocybin fits like a key in a lock into the neurotransmitter receptors in your brain! You can't even compare common poisons like alcohol to indole ring alkoloids which fit into receptors in your brain like it was some sort or divine plan.

That has got to be your best arsenal against brainwashed ignoramuses. Psilocybin works in a very specific way, just like highly specialized neurotransmitters. It doesn't just poison your liver to slow you down like fucking alchohol or some shit. Jesus.

Good luck casting pearls before swine!


Edited by EvilEye? (04/29/04 07:58 PM)


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617784 - 04/29/04 07:33 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

I'm sorry dude.  I think all of us here have encountered those sort of ignorant attitudes now and then, and yes, it's truly sad.  But you know the truth and you have no reason to be ashamed of your drug use, so don't let them wear ya down.  :smile:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Viveka]
    #2617963 - 04/29/04 08:11 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Good posts by everyone. I'll post the "results" of my attempt to prove them wrong. Should be within the week or less.

Attitudes of people like the ones I'm talking about are just another contributing factor to the anxiety of doing these substances. How can one TRULY enjoy the experiences of psychedelics(when starting out especially), when there is so much negative thoughts and feelings around it's use?


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2618011 - 04/29/04 08:26 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

"ehhh, alcohol's pretty safe. I'm sure it's a hell of a lot safer for your body then mushrooms".




Unfortunately, this is a common misconception... :shake: :nonono:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2618165 - 04/29/04 09:06 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Get yourself a copy of "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" by Peter Stafford. Keep it on you when you will encounter those ignorant parrots. Don't back down from them. Let them know that they are exhibiting true stupidity. Ignorance is not knowing any better, stupidity is not wanting to know the truth.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2618305 - 04/29/04 09:47 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

ignorance is bad news


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who, squatting upon the ground,
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And ate of it.
I said, "Is it good, friend?"
"It is bitter, bitter," he answered;
"But I like it
Because it is bitter,
And because it is my heart."


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2618881 - 04/29/04 11:37 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

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Ekstaza said:
Get yourself a copy of "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" by Peter Stafford. Keep it on you when you will encounter those ignorant parrots. Don't back down from them. Let them know that they are exhibiting true stupidity. Ignorance is not knowing any better, stupidity is not wanting to know the truth.




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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Vulture]
    #2619013 - 04/30/04 12:06 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

My stepfather is a local judge and has a biology degree...We had a nice conversation about shrooms...He knows i have grown before and asked me if i ever had a flashback :nut:Man we had a good talk and really cleared up a lot of bad crap he thought shrooms did....He is  such a cool dude because he listened to what i told him an weighed the evidence and agreed with most all i said....I didnt convince him to do them but if some unfortunate kid gets dragged in his courtroom for getting caught picking shrooms he probably will be more lenient if possible....You gotta remember that He is an exceptionally smart man and most judges arent and just wanna jail your ass


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: OldSpice]
    #2620302 - 04/30/04 09:39 AM (18 years, 19 days ago)

That's awesome that you were able to converse with him about something like shrooms and he listened. A lot of people in his shoes might not have cared to even listen. I've talked to some cops I know about things like that and very few really give me any credit. I also was afraid to disclose too much info with them. It made it a little difficult having to dance around some questions.


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