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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: openmind]
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Pharmahuasca is at its most pinpoint percision when used with DMT powder and an MAOI. There's a sexual type experience that comes with the mix of the two drugs that you don't get on just plain smoked DMT, mushrooms or any other single drug. I think because it's two drugs intertwined on a chemical level that it gives this whole "sex with the other" type experience rather than just residing with it.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: openmind] * 1
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Hi, Openmind:

Yeah, kinda sucks that I dedicated my Saturday to the CWE and my Sunday to a "non-event", especially given that I squandered a weekend that my wife was away during which I could have had a more memorable experience - as I'd hoped.

Oh well.  I may vaporize some DMT when I get home from work tomorrow to make up for it.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
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Nature Boy said:
Hi, Openmind:

Yeah, kinda sucks that I dedicated my Saturday to the CWE and my Sunday to a "non-event", especially given that I squandered a weekend that my wife was away during which I could have had a more memorable experience - as I'd hoped.

Oh well.  I may vaporize some DMT when I get home from work tomorrow to make up for it.



God speed soldier 🙏


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
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And you too, Bill!  I hope all your life's issues worked out favorably.  I think of you often, and wish you only the best, my friend.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy]
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Still battling. The war is still raging on but it's sorting itself out little by little. Thanks brother.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: openmind] * 1
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openmind said:
Blabble40 said:
I was thinking about trying DMT again but as a thought experiment. Is extracting or finding a vendor/shaman worth it?
Not just that, but if you do manage to get bark, acacia or mimosa, is it worth it to use or do most people get scared and throw it away somehow?
The other use would be a huasca or to try and make changa with it, just once then try to dispose the rest of the bark, if there was an excess.....




I feel it's "worth it" :yesnod: .

If you're a curious person, if you like to have your idea of "reality" shattered lol, I do suggest working with the stuff a bit.


There is nothing else like the experience of smoked DMT, no heroic dose of mushrooms or lsd will ever catalyze an experience that is like that of a good rip of smoked DMT.

I find a big rip of smoked DMT to not even be "psychedelic" in the classic sense of the word, it is something else entirely, it is in a totally different ball-park than tripping on mush or L, it is an experience like no other.....Small doses can be psychedelic, incredibly visual, but once one gets into moderate & high doses it is something completely different...

...Like Feevers said in another thread on the topic, "It (dmt) doesn't immerse you in reality or change your reality, it completely swaps out your reality for something relentlessly peculiar where it seems impossible to catch your breath or get your bearings."

Smoked DMT is one of the most "alien" and otherworldly experience one can have.

It can be frightening for sure....it is no joke, anything beyond a light dose can be super intense....but even after having an experience that "rattles" me, after a while I find myself wanting to take the dive once again just to see what happens lol. Even when the stuff "spooks" me a bit, I still have a lot of curiosity and a "drive" to want to go there again. It is such an interesting experience to have.

And you never really know what is going to happen...smoked DMT (beyond light doses) is like a roll of the dice, always something random and strange that will likely make you exclaim something along the lines of "What the fuck was that!" as soon you start to come back in touch with your physical surroundings lol.

Smoked DMT has left me dumbfounded, flabbergasted, totally mind blown, on several occasions....Could not get the expression, "What the Fuck!" out of my mind for a while after lol.





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The only thing is, if you’ve been paying attention, a harmala alkaloid to use or Syrian rue leaves can be hard to get.



Syrian rue seed (you want the seed, not leaf) is super easy to get, cheap too.

There are other sources of the harmala alkaloids like the caapi vine (which is what's used in traditional ayahuasca)....and you can also find rue and caapi extracts, and there are also isolate/pure harmala alkaloids.

All of those can be easily and legally purchased online. But rue seed is the cheapest and is easy to find.



There are several basic "routes" you can go with DMT....

Smoked/vaped DMT by itself

Smoked/vaped DMT mixed with harmala alkaloids (changa)

DMT orally with rue or caapi.



Smoked/vaped DMT by itself is a bit different than it is when mixed with harmalas, when people talk about the "DMT breakthrough" and all the wild & bizarre experiences that DMT is known for, it is usually from DMT being smoked/vaped by itself.

I have yet to work with it much taken orally in combination with harmalas, but I feel that's where one would get the most out of it and can "bring something back" from the experience. The harmalas definitely bring in another layer/apect to the experience beyond just making the DMT orally active or lasting longer when smoked.

Smoked DMT, for me, is purely for the novelty of it all because there is nothing else like it. When I smoke the stuff, I am doing so mostly "just to see what happens"...Nothing else can catalyze the type of trips/experiences that smoked DMT does.




/ramble





-OM

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Yeah, I agree wholly. Breakthroughs from extracted DMT have shown me the most beautiful thing that could ever be seen or imagined. It’s a combination of visuals and feelings from them, being impossible to reproduce here. You can only really praise it, and the 5-10 minutes are enough.

It was like impossible colors and extra dimensional shapes from higher geometry, and just more “exotic” things.

The only thing you can conclude is that at its core everything is one or that DMT induces a state of remembering everything at the same time or a paradoxical state of nature, quite simply, it’s an intoxication leading to symptoms not normal or common in perception or waking life.

It felt like I was about to die, and went on for no more than 16 minutes but it felt like forever, at some point you can wonder if you want out or if it will go on forever. It becomes the greatest thing ever but it’s as if you can’t wait for it to end because it gets creepy.

It was the equivalent of stepping into a fairy ring, both of those times. On another occasion I actually saw real fairies and elves in humanoid form, and it isn’t always the glowing orbs.

The first time was more insane but I can only remember certain parts of it. It was much more than full “kaleidoscopic”.

There are different genres of that DMT hyperspace, and I only got that kind twice, both times having been combined with weed when smoked using the sandwich method.

I’m fact if you go in sober, then smoke it that way, you can definitely feel the DMT trip end in your body as the vision(s) are synchronized with the metabolization when you feel it as if it’s going down a drain in you. Then it ends, and you can only feel the cloudy sensation from the weed, now with a memory of the DMT experience although elsewise it’s qualitatively completely gone and you’re back to normal.

Edited by Blabble40 (09/22/19 11:25 PM)

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy]
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So the CWE did not work? I kinda had a feeling. Need that heat to extract the alkoloids out.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I might add some more to that. The fairy flash experiences were sort of ideal. It was like my 5th time smoking DMT. The first couple times were classic experiences, with machine elves, insectoid beings, aliens, and spaceships with fairies (the aliens were reptilians wearing lab coats, you could see their green skin and scaly, lizard heads. But they looked like grey aliens too.)

I’d like more of those but am not even sure it’s possible. It’s true that I’ve still been surprised by DMT when I thought it wouldn’t work anymore, and the 2nd more “blue” fairy flash DMT experience was on a lower dose that I didn’t think would even do much. But it made me feel like I was about to die as if all the air was sucked out the room.

I tried DMT presumably extracted from anonymous sources. Those were “generic” and while you could still tell it was DMT, was just not as bizarre as those fairy flashes. That DMT wouldn’t do it, but it did try, and come up way short, however, it did provide more “standard” DMT or even psychedelic trips. It was all mostly recognizable stuff though, even the weird stuff, whereas with the fairy flash, it was just something else entirely. It felt, and feels, like I stepped out of time for 200 billion years or so, even though it was only 10 minutes.

The third time it started happening, it was glowing misty purple in darkness, and a tunnel opened then fairies and elves humanoid in form came out and started marching towards me. They were like ghosts or spirits from ancient Irish lore. They started a carnival or circus there, literally, and it went on for like 5 minutes. I couldn’t even stare at it the entire time!

I didn’t understand what they were doing at the time. However, years later, I think I had a death or NDE. The only thing my brain could piece together, is that these powerful DMT experiences were a ceremony or tribute of some sort to it (them). Then they worked their magic, so that I was revived and didn’t actually die!

Mostly, since DMT can represent the death scenario. So it had already happened, and there was still work here to be done, so I didn’t actually die when I took too many acid tabs, panicked, ran into a wall at a really high speed, but teleported upon impact somewhere else. It could have just been an illusion. Not only is it easy to be reckless with acid use, people don’t know about it’s pattern of duration.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Blabble40]
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When I did it again the fourth time there was like a wall.

I wasn’t sure why this DMT kept giving me these PSYCHEDELIC trips and visions. There were a few spaceships but most of them were bizarre and psychedelic.

It felt like both breakthrough and non-breakthrough. There was a thing in the background, like a thick white paste with red, blue, orange, pink, green, and other colored jewels or diamond gum drops on it. Then a black stick figure ran up and started dancing. It got really annoying because it just would not stop. At all.

Everything started to feel all biological and alien. I could even feel the dancing and the vibrations touching me.

It looked like I could breakthrough the back if I could toke more, but I couldn’t move.

The fact that an entity approached made it seem like it was breakthrough too.

A veil formed in front of the thick white paste thing with jewels on it, that looked like jungle canopy or something. The white paste was moving and undulating the whole time.

It looked pretty psychedelic, but that entity was trying to take it too far or something. It seemed like a monkey. But, also seemed like Waluigi from Mario Party (first appearance was Mario Tennis).


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Edited by Blabble40 (09/23/19 02:57 PM)

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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LogicaL Chaos said:
So the CWE did not work? I kinda had a feeling. Need that heat to extract the alkoloids out.


Nope.  Not even a little bit.  IMHO it's not heat that's missing, it's the b-carbolines (MAOI) ordinarily supplied by b. caapi which was (intentionally) left out of the experiment.  DMT salts (the way they are present in the bark) are readily soluble in water - hot or cold makes little to no difference.

There's no doubt there were DMT salts in the CWE...it's just that absent the MAOI, my gut destroyed the goods before it could work its magic.  That is, after all, the second most important job the gut is tasked with doing after breaking down and absorbing nutrients.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Blabble40]
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Blabble40 said:
I might add some more to that. The fairy flash experiences were sort of ideal. It was like my 5th time smoking DMT. The first couple times were classic experiences, with machine elves, insectoid beings, aliens, and spaceships with fairies (the aliens were reptilians wearing lab coats, you could see their green skin and scaly, lizard heads. But they looked like grey aliens too.)

I’d like more of those but am not even sure it’s possible. It’s true that I’ve still been surprised by DMT when I thought it wouldn’t work anymore, and the 2nd more “blue” fairy flash DMT experience was on a lower dose that I didn’t think would even do much. But it made me feel like I was about to die as if all the air was sucked out the room.

I tried DMT presumably extracted from anonymous sources. Those were “generic” and while you could still tell it was DMT, was just not as bizarre as those fairy flashes. That DMT wouldn’t do it, but it did try, and come up way short, however, it did provide more “standard” DMT or even psychedelic trips. It was all mostly recognizable stuff though, even the weird stuff, whereas with the fairy flash, it was just something else entirely. It felt, and feels, like I stepped out of time for 200 billion years or so, even though it was only 10 minutes.

The third time it started happening, it was glowing misty purple in darkness, and a tunnel opened then fairies and elves humanoid in form came out and started marching towards me. They were like ghosts or spirits from ancient Irish lore. They started a carnival or circus there, literally, and it went on for like 5 minutes. I couldn’t even stare at it the entire time!

I didn’t understand what they were doing at the time. However, years later, I think I had a death or NDE. The only thing my brain could piece together, is that these powerful DMT experiences were a ceremony or tribute of some sort to it (them). Then they worked their magic, so that I was revived and didn’t actually die!

Mostly, since DMT can represent the death scenario. So it had already happened, and there was still work here to be done, so I didn’t actually die when I took too many acid tabs, panicked, ran into a wall at a really high speed, but teleported upon impact somewhere else. It could have just been an illusion. Not only is it easy to be reckless with acid use, people don’t know about it’s pattern of duration.


Blabble40 said:
When I did it again the fourth time there was like a wall.

I wasn’t sure why this DMT kept giving me these PSYCHEDELIC trips and visions. There were a few spaceships but most of them were bizarre and psychedelic.

It felt like both breakthrough and non-breakthrough. There was a thing in the background, like a thick white paste with red, blue, orange, pink, green, and other colored jewels or diamond gum drops on it. Then a black stick figure ran up and started dancing. It got really annoying because it just would not stop. At all.

Everything started to feel all biological and alien. I could even feel the dancing and the vibrations touching me.

It looked like I could breakthrough the back if I could toke more, but I couldn’t move.

The fact that an entity approached made it seem like it was breakthrough too.

A veil formed in front of the thick white paste thing with jewels on it, that looked like jungle canopy or something. The white paste was moving and undulating the whole time.

It looked pretty psychedelic, but that entity was trying to take it too far or something. It seemed like a monkey. But, also seemed like Waluigi from Mario Party (first appearance was Mario Tennis).


These are amazing reports and invaluable to someone, like myself, who feels they are almost ready to step up to bat with DMT.

I'm a huge McKenna guy, so I've heard all his descriptions; self-dribbling jewel basket ball elves, machine elves, etc. It's interesting that you noticed greys/reptilians. I always wonder what the connection between alien abduction/CE-3's and DMT is. Amazing stuff, friend! Thank you so much for sharing this.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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Quote:
Loaded Shaman wrote, in part:  These are amazing reports and invaluable to someone, like myself, who feels they are almost ready to step up to bat with DMT.


While DMT is amazing, don't rely too heavily on what you've read, no matter the source. 

Why do I say that?  Because your own neurochemistry will have more than a subtle influence on your experience.  I think it's best if you have NO preconceived notions, and just (try) to prepare  yourself as best you can for the first-hand realization that just a tiny amount of powder can annihilate a lifetime's worth of consensual reality for a few minutes.  That is the REAL mind fucker!

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy]
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Is LSD worth it?

Well, surviving is always worth it.  There really isn't anything outside (beyond) belief about it.  It's that we only have belief and convincing others of belief.  Which largely most people just want to be comfortable in non-belief states or 'their' belief states.

Most people don't want a change.  Which is terrible because the world needs a change but not so much yet that it will get that change nor people decide where it goes.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy]
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Didnt u mention there was some natural MAOIs in there?

So im guessing youve done a CWE with B caapi before so this experiment was to see if u could do a CWE extraction with any effect? Were u expecting this result?

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Didnt u mention there was some natural MAOIs in there?


Juremamine is the component thought to confer some MAO inhibition. It must be present in low amounts or not very potent if OTT (see p. 2 of this thread) had to take 35 grams in order to trip. No way I was going that high.

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So im guessing youve done a CWE with B caapi before so this experiment was to see if u could do a CWE extraction with any effect? Were u expecting this result?


No!  You missed everything on page 2.  I was attempting to replicate and corroborate his methodology and his claim. It was not, and never was MY experiment. It was always his, and I was just doing it the exact same to see if I felt anything. He did, I didn't.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy]
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Ah i see now. :thumbup:

So he was lying perhaps? The Tek doesnt actually work since u followed it and nothing happened....

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: pixelpopper]
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            Yahweh - God - Psychedelics - Eucharist - Consciousness - Entheogens
  . . . many different names for the same Glorious Living Beings. The intelligence & brilliance & Love of the Psychedelic(God) exceeds the scope of the human mind. Psychedelics show people “Signs” to help us believe in Them and Their First Born. I’m  going to share with you the 4 signs that Yahweh/God/Psychedelics/Consciousness shows us in order to give us more belief in Them and Their First Born.  The 1st sign is seeing the Light. Many people have seen this Living Light. The 2nd sign is seeing that the Light is alive, a living being, with a will & intelligence far beyond anything humans are capable of, They are God. The molecules Themselves are actually alive and much more advanced than us. It seems a lot of people confuse this sign with thinking the Psychedelic is just a portal to another dimension or Heaven, when in fact, the very Psychedelic molecules Themselves are God - they are the most Conscious Beings, the most advanced, because They are literally 100% pure Consciousness(we only have a tiny bit of Them inside us naturally, the DMT & 5meo DMT inside of us is literally our Consciousness) When we ingest the True Communion substance(the Flesh of God) we are putting more God inside of us than is already there. The 3rd sign -  most people call this a “bad trip”. The 3rd sign God will show you that my testimony to Them & Their First Born is true - God will show you that the physical world you exist in is hades(hell) & that satan is in charge of this earthly world. This was for me & most people a very terrifying  revelation & many people run from this truth(& many others don’t quite understand but are still horrified).  The 4th sign that God will show people that what i’m saying is the truth is a person would receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit testifies to who The First Born is in these last days . . .
A person does NOT want to receive the Holy Spirit before joining God’s First Born, that person would fall into deadly sin, & in this physical lifetime that person would not be able to reach the place of rest God has for us.

“ In the Spirit Of God/Psychedelics”              -v

I am available to help people that are trying to understand God(Psychedelics) and be able to get close to the Psychedelic & understanding Their ways and laws.

Edited by LivingLightWitness (09/26/19 01:02 AM)

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy]
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Nature Boy said:
Quote:
Loaded Shaman wrote, in part:  These are amazing reports and invaluable to someone, like myself, who feels they are almost ready to step up to bat with DMT.


While DMT is amazing, don't rely too heavily on what you've read, no matter the source. 

Why do I say that?  Because your own neurochemistry will have more than a subtle influence on your experience.  I think it's best if you have NO preconceived notions, and just (try) to prepare  yourself as best you can for the first-hand realization that just a tiny amount of powder can annihilate a lifetime's worth of consensual reality for a few minutes.  That is the REAL mind fucker!


Well said and I agree. My language betrays my intentions here. Trust me brother, if anyone will have as little preconceived notions going in, it'll be Loaded Shaman lol. Thank you for the kind reminder; always taking notes. These aren't toys, to say the least!


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Ah i see now. :thumbup:

So he was lying perhaps? The Tek doesnt actually work since u followed it and nothing happened....


No, I don't think for a minute he's lying.  His dose was larger at 35 grams (no way I was going that high) as opposed to my 25 grams, and I was using my powdered bark, which undoubtedly was from a different source, separated by many years. 

It probably does work, if you are willing to chance drinking upwards of 400mg DMT salts.  The average dose of Ayahuasca typically contains only 30 - 60mg from published reports.  The most likely explanation was that my dose was too conservative, or my powdered bark had too little (or no) Juremamine.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Nature Boy]
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Thank you for trying this out. :thumbup:

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