Blabble40 said:

DMT is the strongest psychedelic, which is why it’s so short.
Ayahuasca doesn’t even go as deep as DMT. Mushrooms are DMT, except they last longer, and aren’t as strong or potent. That’s why you need the highest dose possible, way more than 5 or 10 dried gs, to not only get the “full” experience but to make it more akin to DMT.
LSD is also like DMT and psilocybin, except it’s more based in reality rather than dreamlike. However, if you take a high enough dose, you will pass out or white out for hours while it shows you stuff, and entities appear too (with me at least). Sometimes they’re like jungle or forest spirits, like with aya or even mushrooms, but sometimes they’re also, like, aliens or “extradimensional mathematicians who designed the algorithms the universe runs on”, or like shadow people.
DMT is still my favorite, has always been the most fascinating, but people ruined it with their assumptions and attitude.
I think most people think it’s like heroin or Valium, or can’t comprehend the transcendental beauty is causes or induces in your head. Even if you write about it, they can’t. No art does it justice, it’s impossible, but Pablo Amaringo’s paintings look close enough to it (ayahuasca, which doesn’t get go as deep as smoked DMT).
I listened to music on LSD+weed once, but a song I made started playing, then it made me depressed and like I should kill myself (the acid started to feel like “meth” at that point). 30-minutes an hour later, I whited out, and was able to move the next day. I was also walking around my apt the whole time, and watching TV, but that may have been a dream or vision. After that it was like “orange sunshine”, and I felt great.

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SensiLite said:

Aphantasia means you can't visualize anything when eyes closed, it's  all black. Took me 30 years to realize that most people actually see things when they talk about visualizing this or that. Go to youtube if you're not sure what i mean.

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StygianKnight said:

I find it fascinating as I’m the opposite, I think heavily in visualization and closing my eyes often shows slowly spreading rings of light, which I presume are actually waves of a base signal in my visual cortex.  It sometimes makes it a pain to see in the dark.....

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openmind said:

SensiLite said:

Aphantasia means you can't visualize anything when eyes closed, it's  all black. Took me 30 years to realize that most people actually see things when they talk about visualizing this or that. Go to youtube if you're not sure what i mean.

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When I close my eyes I see black also...and when I "visualize" something I don't actually literally see what I'm visualizing behind my closed eye lids, I do see it "within my mind" though. I can visualize anything and anyplace with different angles and perspectives, but I don't actually literally "see" the thing or place behind my eye lids...I see it in my mind.



-OM

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SensiLite said:

Hello, I'm curious if there are anyone else with Aphantasia that likes tripping since it might sound like a waste of time. Also interested to hear if anyone got "cured" and how they did it.

Aphantasia means you can't visualize anything when eyes closed, it's  all black. Took me 30 years to realize that most people actually see things when they talk about visualizing this or that. Go to youtube if you're not sure what i mean.

Anyways, to the point. I have had dozens of trips on mushrooms, done the 6g dose in total darkness in bed with shpongle blasting in my headphones, no visuals whatsoever, there's just complete blackness. My friend was literally floored by 3,5g of the same mushrooms. I've done LSD countless times, really enjoying the 500-600 doses, zero closed eye visuals. Triple normal dose of 2cb..same story.

Only with DMT I've had some sort of success although quite faint. I found myself inside a weird dome with a diameter of approximately 20meter and there was this 30cm spinning ball on light on some sort of pole in the middle.

Back to LSD which is my favourite, I get all the normal body highs and music is such a pleasure to listen to. Also get some open eye visuals although not anything like my friends describe, I would more describe it like more vivid colours and some ultra HD sight which is very pleasant. The walls might move a bit if i concentrate but nothing major to talk about. With mushrooms everything would often turn into a slight purple tint and so on.

Also I love playing Vr games on 450+ since my mind seem to activate some 1000x Anti-alias system, it's literally almost like being transported to another reality, that's how real it looks for me.

Guess I'm curious if there are others out there like me?
Not sure if this is a blessing or not.

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Yeah I’m gonna go with everyone else here and say your condition isn’t real and that’s how it is for everyone man

redgreenvines said:

I was once at a Tibetan Buddhist lecture about a form of meditation.
One woman asked after the lecture how she would be expected to visualize if she never ever visualized.
She declared that she was non-visual, and never ever had any visual experiences that were out of the ordinary open eyed experience of the world.

The bikkhu that was giving instruction asked her to think of an elephant in India.

Then he asked her what color the elephant was, and if there was anything on its back.

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The lurker said:

Yeah I’m gonna go with everyone else here and say your condition isn’t real and that’s how it is for everyone man

redgreenvines said:

I was once at a Tibetan Buddhist lecture about a form of meditation.
One woman asked after the lecture how she would be expected to visualize if she never ever visualized.
She declared that she was non-visual, and never ever had any visual experiences that were out of the ordinary open eyed experience of the world.

The bikkhu that was giving instruction asked her to think of an elephant in India.

Then he asked her what color the elephant was, and if there was anything on its back.

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My elephant is black, with a black man riding it in the middle of the night.
I don't understand why my friends on shrooms or acid would lie on floor with their hands over their eyes faking for hours.

Or i don't understand the point of that story lol

The lurker said:

Nah dude. Basically the point of that story is thinking is visualization. There’s nothing wrong with you you’re perfectly normal sorry. There’s a shit ton of reasons people don’t have close eyed visuals including if they’re blocking themselves off from it.

Telling yourself you have this “condition” is a great way of subconsciously blocking yourself off from it

Why is it necessary for you to label it like that and attach that “condition” to it? How do you even know it’s normal for people to be able to literally see things behind their eyelids? Who cares if it wasn’t normal? Think about it.

Of course you’re going to say “nah I’m not doing that, I’m not blocking myself from it” because you’re not! Consciously at least. This is a subconscious mechanism of ego protecting it’s false self and we all do this to some degree.

No one thinks about stuff and has it pop up right in front their eyelids.

That’s just my 2 cents at least. I think it’s absurd people feel the need to attach themselves to a condition like that.

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I totally get what you're saying. But we must not forget that this fake condition hs been recognized since mid 1800's and even more in recent years, supposedly 2% of the population is affected. Reason I label it is to hopefully find others that might have a solution if there is one.

I've done everything i can think of myself at this point to visualize including meditation, dosing in total darkness with psychedelic music of all kinds.

I guess I've forgot to mention that 15 years ago when meditating I once had success visualizing. And once I've had an audio hallucination too, so I know the difference between "thinking" and "seeing".
And believe me it's a big difference

Normal or not i couldn't care less of, I just would like to experience these nice visuals people talk about. I realize I might be blocking them unconsciously, so I'm sort of hoping to get some tips on that, and what would be better than a from a "cured" Aphantasiac. Whether it's fake or not it's my experience.

Cheers

openmind said:

SensiLite said:

Aphantasia means you can't visualize anything when eyes closed, it's  all black. Took me 30 years to realize that most people actually see things when they talk about visualizing this or that. Go to youtube if you're not sure what i mean.

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When I close my eyes I see black also...and when I "visualize" something I don't actually literally see what I'm visualizing behind my closed eye lids, I do see it "within my mind" though. I can visualize anything and anyplace with different angles and perspectives, but I don't actually literally "see" the thing or place behind my eye lids...I see it in my mind.

Like I can think about and visualize a house I lived in as a kid...It doesn't matter if my eyes are open or closed I can visualize/think about the place and take a walk through it...but I am not literally "seeing" the place with my eyes closed/behind my eye lids, like I am not seeing literal images of the place behind my eye lids, it is nothing like closed eye visuals, it is all happening within my mind.

I can visualize anything with my eyes open as well...to me, it's just a part of my thoughts/cognition, it is something that happens internally and not something that I literally "see" .

So if most people do actually literally "see" their visualized thoughts, then I guess I too have Aphantasia because I don't ever literally see things when visualized, it all happens within my mind....but I do consider myself to be a very visual thinker.




When I first started to trip years ago my trips weren't all that visual and I barely had any closed eye visuals....Now, 10+ years later, my trips tend to be very visual...both closed eye and open.

But again...when I think about & "visualize" something internally/in my thoughts, I am not literally seeing it behind my closed eye lids.

Closed eye visuals from a psychedelic are nothing like what "visualizing" objects/places is like for me. One I can see as if they're literally projected onto the backs of my eyes lids (closed eye visuals from psychedelics), and the other happens entirely in my mind (thoughts).

Closed eye visuals are something that I will literally see as if they're "projected" behind my closed eye lids....

...but when I visualize something I do not literally see it behind my closed eye lids, I see/feel it within my mind. Two drastically different things that are seen & experienced in different ways.


CEVs and visualizing thoughts are experienced in very different ways for me.


Like can you think about and imagine the feeling of running your hand across the soft hair of a dog or cat compared to the feeling of running your hand across the rough bark of a tree? The same place & way that "imagination" happens thinking about the feeling/textures  of things is the same place & way I "visualize" things...it all happens internally in the mind.

Not being able to visualize anything, to me, is like saying one can't "imagine" or think about something. Visualizing is just a part of my thoughts/cognition, not a literally projection of something that I see behind eye lids.

I "visualize" things regardless if my eyes are open or closed, to me it's just "thinking".

StygianKnight said:

I find it fascinating as I’m the opposite, I think heavily in visualization and closing my eyes often shows slowly spreading rings of light, which I presume are actually waves of a base signal in my visual cortex.  It sometimes makes it a pain to see in the dark.....

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Same here.

And I know exactly what you mean about it being difficult to see in the dark for those reasons you described.


My thoughts are mostly visual, conceptual, motions & various dynamics, very abstract.

I actually struggle at times with getting my thoughts into words/verbal language...The process of trying to translate my thoughts from the visual/dynamic/conceptual/abstract form they're in and into words/language that I speak out loud is often difficult for me.






-OM

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