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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: relic] * 1
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relic said:
meltdowner said:
Trump baby is phinna win big in 2020.



What does that mean?

Looked it up and found its a brand of cosmetics.  Trump baby is cosmetics win big?  Makes no sense.



phinna = gonna

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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
What am I lying about?





You claimed Yangs a right wing libertarian he isn't. You attribute malice to Yangs intentions again a disgusting tactic. You claim his record is problematic it isn't. You also tried to claim his immigration plan was somehow bad when even Sanders is not to different. I think its fair to say I have the moral high ground in this argument since I am not spreading lies about your candidate and I am fine with you not supporting mine.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter]
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Biden:crankshitshower:


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TRUMP 2020

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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
Biden:crankshitshower:



I think everyone on this forum can agree Biden is awful :thumbup:


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
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YangSupporter said:
The Ecstatic said:
What am I lying about?





You claimed Yangs a right wing libertarian he isn't. You attribute malice to Yangs intentions again a disgusting tactic. You claim his record is problematic it isn't. You also tried to claim his immigration plan was somehow bad when even Sanders is not to different. I think its fair to say I have the moral high ground in this argument since I am not spreading lies about your candidate and I am fine with you not supporting mine.



Really grasping at straws here bud.

1. I didn’t say he was right wing. I said he was a libertarian. A left winger coined the term libertarian. I make this statement because of his desire to create a welfare state while largely leaving private industry untouched. Not to mention UBI being an absolute gift to that industry.

2. I didn’t attribute malice either. Malice would be John Delaney deliberately lying on stage about M4A in order to muddy the waters.  Yang doesn’t have to be malicious to be wrong, or disingenuous. If making half truths and disingenuous rhetoric is malicious then every candidate is doing so, Sanders included.

3. His record is absolutely problematic.

4. His immigration plan is bad. It’s considerably worse than Sanders’ plan, which I can admit is not so great itself. Yang’s own website starts off his immigration plan by claiming we need southern border security strengthened because of all the illegals and drugs flowing into our country. This is boilerplate right wing rhetoric, which isn’t surprising because he does the same in a lot of other areas (circumcision, “family cohesion,” anti pornography). He very clearly panders to the right.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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What about his record do you find problematic? Venture for America? His education company? He isn't corrupt just a standard entrepreneur.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter]
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He isn’t necessarily corrupt. Just a standard venture capital opportunist.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
He isn’t necessarily corrupt. Just a standard venture capital opportunist.



I gotcha yea some people really don't like entrepreneur types.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter]
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you make it sound like Andrew yang opened his own deli or something.

Both his parents are wealthy. He went to law school and then became a corporate lawyer. Then he joined an education nonprofit before selling out to Kaplan (a notoriously shitty for profit school corp).


Honestly VFA isn’t even that bad.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
you make it sound like Andrew yang opened his own deli or something.

Both his parents are wealthy. He went to law school and then became a corporate lawyer. Then he joined an education nonprofit before selling out to Kaplan (a notoriously shitty for profit school corp).


Honestly VFA isn’t even that bad.



I'm fine with all that. Hes better than Warren hes not pretending to be a native american :rofl:


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter]
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It’s not fine to me.

You don’t get to play the game, win the game, and then run for office on the premise that you hate the game and want to change it. Running for office is simply the next stage of the game for people like Yang and Warren.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
It’s not fine to me.

You don’t get to play the game, win the game, and then run for office on the premise that you hate the game and want to change it. Running for office is simply the next stage of the game for people like Yang and Warren.



Sanders isn't a communist though... Hes a multi millionaire he also won the game.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter]
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I'm a millionaire, and I don't make nearly as much as a congressman does.  $2.5 million isn't that much for someone in Congress.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
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YangSupporter said:
The Ecstatic said:
It’s not fine to me.

You don’t get to play the game, win the game, and then run for office on the premise that you hate the game and want to change it. Running for office is simply the next stage of the game for people like Yang and Warren.



Sanders isn't a communist though... Hes a multi millionaire he also won the game.



Sanders is a millionaire because he’s got a congressional salary, wrote a NYt best seller, and is 124 years old.

Are you really questioning the motivation of Sanders’ political agenda?


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
YangSupporter said:
The Ecstatic said:
It’s not fine to me.

You don’t get to play the game, win the game, and then run for office on the premise that you hate the game and want to change it. Running for office is simply the next stage of the game for people like Yang and Warren.



Sanders isn't a communist though... Hes a multi millionaire he also won the game.



Sanders is a millionaire because he’s got a congressional salary, wrote a NYt best seller, and is 124 years old.

Are you really questioning the motivation of Sanders’ political agenda?



No im not I'm questioning your selective standards.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'm a millionaire, and I don't make nearly as much as a congressman does.  $2.5 million isn't that much for someone in Congress.



I don't care if hes a millionaire I'm just pointing out the selective standards the ecstatic is using.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
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its pretty clear you don’t even know what those standards are.

The problem isn’t the net worth, it’s how they’ve each arrived at this point in life. Yang’s life trajectory is closer to Trump’s than it is Sanders’.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
YangSupporter said:
The Ecstatic said:
What am I lying about?





You claimed Yangs a right wing libertarian he isn't. You attribute malice to Yangs intentions again a disgusting tactic. You claim his record is problematic it isn't. You also tried to claim his immigration plan was somehow bad when even Sanders is not to different. I think its fair to say I have the moral high ground in this argument since I am not spreading lies about your candidate and I am fine with you not supporting mine.



Really grasping at straws here bud.

1. I didn’t say he was right wing. I said he was a libertarian. A left winger coined the term libertarian. I make this statement because of his desire to create a welfare state while largely leaving private industry untouched. Not to mention UBI being an absolute gift to that industry.

2. I didn’t attribute malice either. Malice would be John Delaney deliberately lying on stage about M4A in order to muddy the waters.  Yang doesn’t have to be malicious to be wrong, or disingenuous. If making half truths and disingenuous rhetoric is malicious then every candidate is doing so, Sanders included.

3. His record is absolutely problematic.

4. His immigration plan is bad. It’s considerably worse than Sanders’ plan, which I can admit is not so great itself. Yang’s own website starts off his immigration plan by claiming we need southern border security strengthened because of all the illegals and drugs flowing into our country. This is boilerplate right wing rhetoric, which isn’t surprising because he does the same in a lot of other areas (circumcision, “family cohesion,” anti pornography). He very clearly panders to the right.



Or maybe he thinks for himself and uses commonsense on the issues.

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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
. Yang’s life trajectory is closer to Trump’s than it is Sanders’.



:rofl: Ok dude its clear you have a massive chip on your shoulder. I'm not going to take you seriously anymore. I'm glad most Americans aren't like you.


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Re: LOL Kamala Harria [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I think I'm decent at being neutral (as evidenced by my occasional defense of Trump) so I'll do my best to provide an opinion:

The Ecstatic said:
1. I didn’t say he was right wing. I said he was a libertarian. A left winger coined the term libertarian. I make this statement because of his desire to create a welfare state while largely leaving private industry untouched. Not to mention UBI being an absolute gift to that industry.



YangSupporter said this would be paid for by a VAT tax on luxury goods.  I previously asked where a tax on luxury good has been successfully done, and I never got an answer.  It appears Yang dropped this from his site? and instead is now saying he would simply exclude groceries and clothing.  That seems like a more reasonable approach.

The Ecstatic said:
2. I didn’t attribute malice either. Malice would be John Delaney deliberately lying on stage about M4A in order to muddy the waters.  Yang doesn’t have to be malicious to be wrong, or disingenuous. If making half truths and disingenuous rhetoric is malicious then every candidate is doing so, Sanders included.



I'm not sure there's enough information here to make a conclusion on how disingenuous he is.

The Ecstatic said:
3. His record is absolutely problematic.



Not enough information to make a conclusion.

The Ecstatic said:
4. His immigration plan is bad. It’s considerably worse than Sanders’ plan, which I can admit is not so great itself. Yang’s own website starts off his immigration plan by claiming we need southern border security strengthened because of all the illegals and drugs flowing into our country. This is boilerplate right wing rhetoric, which isn’t surprising because he does the same in a lot of other areas (circumcision, “family cohesion,” anti pornography). He very clearly panders to the right.



Yes, he does pander to the right, but some describe him as one of the best at reaching out to both parties.  I personally don't mind too much if he's pandering on immigration (not a super important issue to me), and I'm not familiar with his positions on the other issues mentioned.


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