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Any Particle Accelerator fans?
#26191822 - 09/16/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26191845 - 09/16/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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They're definitely cool, but CERN has yet to really prove itself. Yeah, it aided in the discovery of the Higgs boson, but they're not yet getting the results they'd hoped for. And so far, there is no evidence of supersymmetry, which is what they really wanted to confirm. In fact, all of the results so far point toward the incorrectness of supersymmetry. If that goes down the drain, fifty years of major physics will have been utterly wasted. But we'll see. It seems to me that, in terms of current results, LIGO is a more successful instrument. At least, it's gotten more radical results more quickly.
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True. Not too many exciting things are coming from these huge devices.
However, I do enjoy the collision experiments looking into quarks, gluons and of course the Higgs-Boson: https://www.iop.org/activity/outreach/resources/activity/creative/file_53871.pdf
Another one: http://stanford.edu/group/stanford_atlas/4Particle%20Collision%20and%20Detection
Invaluable information about atomic particles and their components.
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26192005 - 09/16/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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not a fan, cern is a moneypit, a high tech light show, more useless distraction from the true nature of the universe, this is what happens when science stops being self correcting, you get nonsense like "gravitational waves" and "fusion power", and the boys at the top of course wont acknowledge they are way off track because they teach at university and like the attention, plus who wants to look like an idiot, so they cobble together fantastic bullshit to dazzle the masses while accomplishing absolutely nothing
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DividedQuantum said: They're definitely cool, but CERN has yet to really prove itself. Yeah, it aided in the discovery of the Higgs boson, but they're not yet getting the results they'd hoped for. And so far, there is no evidence of supersymmetry, which is what they really wanted to confirm. In fact, all of the results so far point toward the incorrectness of supersymmetry. If that goes down the drain, fifty years of major physics will have been utterly wasted. But we'll see. It seems to me that, in terms of current results, LIGO is a more successful instrument. At least, it's gotten more radical results more quickly.
Finding out that you're wrong is way more useful than checking your math...
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killingravensun said: not a fan, cern is a moneypit, a high tech light show
It's a hadron collider. 
The ALS is a high tech light show though.
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: chibiabos]
#26195442 - 09/18/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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killingravensun said: not a fan, cern is a moneypit, a high tech light show
It's a hadron collider. 
The ALS is a high tech light show though.
how astute and pedantic of you, but the comment was metaphorical, you know what a metaphor is right? certainly you didnt think i actually meant there was a hole in which they throw currency?
the "light show" is exemplified by the following pics, which are indeed light based...

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Getting your panties in a bunch like that makes you look really smart.
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: chibiabos]
#26199077 - 09/20/19 11:11 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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well good, because obviously i am here to try and impress people
on the other hand you being triggered just makes you look defensive
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26199192 - 09/20/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love the LHC, but I wish they would push forward the upgrade schedule a lot. They need at least 100x the power they're currently using to do anything really groundbreaking. It'll probably be 20+ years before that happens though at their current rate of upgrade.
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killingravensun said: well good, because obviously i am here to try and impress people
on the other hand you being triggered just makes you look defensive
Making a bad physics joke is being triggered? Okay, buddy.
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: nooneman]
#26199266 - 09/20/19 12:34 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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How come they need 100x the power? Is a Nuclear Reactor in store for the upgrade?
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26199292 - 09/20/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Particle accelerators are measured by the maximum amount of energy they can produce in a collision. The more energy in a collision, the more you can test. Right now, we can only just barely test basic stuff like the higgs boson. But if you crank the energy high enough, you can test for really experimental stuff potentially involving new physics. The problem is that we're a long way away from that.
There are a variety of ways you can make collisions more intense. It's not necessarily a matter of physically dumping more electricity into the system (though that might help with some of these things), as much as it's a matter of driving the particles to higher speeds, using heavier particles, having better magnetic containment, etc. Some of those are dependent on energy (like speed/acceleration), but most of them are heavily dependent on the design of the collider.
Right now we're at around 10 TEV energy, 100 TEV is where you might expect to start finding interesting stuff, and 1000 TEV might begin to answer meaningful questions about the nature of the universe.
To get there, you'd probably need to expand the size of the LHC, which is an upgrade that's planned, but it's going to take decades. The LHC is already huge, it runs under multiple countries, and would need to be a lot bigger to discover great stuff. So that should give you some idea of the difficulty involved.
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: nooneman]
#26199401 - 09/20/19 01:42 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are a lot of particle accelerators that aren't colliders and I'm really not sure what you mean by "Particle accelerators are measured by the maximum amount of energy they can produce in a collision." If you're bashing particles into each other to see what sort of little bits come out when they're battered apart then higher energy collisions will generlaly let you see littler bits that were in systems with higher binding energies, but the maximum possible energy you can achieve in a collision doesn't make for some sort of a way to quantify how useful one of those things is. Higher energies could even be a really bad thing, depending on what you're trying to do.
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: nooneman]
#26200419 - 09/21/19 12:49 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah I see. So its just not big enough and doesn't have the technology to really look at the interesting stuff in "new Physics". So right now, particle accelerators are only scratching the surface of sub-atomic science.
Heres some info on the safety of CERN: https://home.cern/science/accelerators/large-hadron-collider/safety-lhc
Do you guys think theres a real danger of even producing these effects/phenomena? Perhaps at 100 TEV is where these things might be dangerous to CERN or even to our planet
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26200430 - 09/21/19 01:01 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've heard it can cook a pizza in 10 seconds flat...from frozen.
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killingravensun said: not a fan, cern is a moneypit, a high tech light show, more useless distraction from the true nature of the universe, this is what happens when science stops being self correcting, you get nonsense like "gravitational waves" and "fusion power", and the boys at the top of course wont acknowledge they are way off track because they teach at university and like the attention, plus who wants to look like an idiot, so they cobble together fantastic bullshit to dazzle the masses while accomplishing absolutely nothing
This is correct. Same exact deal with NASA. Tax black hole, pacify public with false cosmology and photoshop trickery. CERN keeps the illusion of sci-fi progress tropes in the public consciousness while acting like taxes pay for advances in tech, etc. Didn't McKenna once make a joke about SETI, saying there are mushrooms growing directly below the giant, billion dollar "dishes" "beaming signals" to "search for intelligence amongst the stars"? Same shit.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ah I see. So its just not big enough and doesn't have the technology to really look at the interesting stuff in "new Physics". So right now, particle accelerators are only scratching the surface of sub-atomic science.
Honestly, the project was just hyped up to a ridiculous level and most people never really understood what the point of it was in the first place. Larger colliders don't make for better apparati and the energy that they can achieve isn't a limit on how useful or interesting the results that come from experiments with them are. It's more about picking the right tool for the job. It's less upgrading/leveling-up than it is figuring out whether you need the 3/8" or the 1/4" drive wrench.
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Loaded Shaman said:
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killingravensun said: not a fan, cern is a moneypit, a high tech light show, more useless distraction from the true nature of the universe, this is what happens when science stops being self correcting, you get nonsense like "gravitational waves" and "fusion power", and the boys at the top of course wont acknowledge they are way off track because they teach at university and like the attention, plus who wants to look like an idiot, so they cobble together fantastic bullshit to dazzle the masses while accomplishing absolutely nothing
This is correct. Same exact deal with NASA. Tax black hole, pacify public with false cosmology and photoshop trickery.
A lot of what NASA does is Earth observation. That's actually been a huge, gigantic game changer in preventing famines.
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Re: Any Particle Accelerator fans? [Re: chibiabos]
#26208122 - 09/25/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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NASA has helped prevent famines? what a joke, i dont suppose you would like to back up that statement with science?
anyone with cursory knowledge about famine knows that almost all of them are caused by politics
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