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Re: Could one expand 1cc of ms in sterile water to inoc grains [Re: myceliumslut]
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myceliumslut said:
I bet ill get chastised for even posting this fur sure [i really dont care what tc or other high rated members say abt ms and grains, i know its a risk and a crapshoot, if i here this on the post ill just ignore you], but could one pc (at 15 psi for 45 min)  10cc of water, and inoc with 1cc of ms, with a end goal of inoculating 10 wbs qt jars at 1cc per jar? If there's thousands upon thousands of varieties in one drop of ms, why wouldn't a quick sterile water addition to 1cc of ms work to inoc more jars up, call me a lazy myceliumslut if it gets you turned on, but im just wondering if its plausible? Not if its optimal or ideal.



You most likely would be totally fine turning 1cc into 10cc, ive done it a couple times

There was a thread where I think either pasty or bod was trying to germinate just a single spore and he diluted a normal syringe into I think 12 syringes and there was still to many spores to get anywhere close to germinating a single spore, so i think you should be fine

Another option you do have is to make a BRF paste and use that like agar if you want to atleast attempt to have a better chance of success :shrug: agar is gonna be the best bet all the way the though

Why do you even want to go MS to grains though?


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Re: Could one expand 1cc of ms in sterile water to inoc grains [Re: in_dot]
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in_dot said:
For agar plates, you literally drop one single drop of spore solution on the plate then streak it.  So like 0.1 cc per plate.



even less, they estimate 20 drops in 1ml.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_(unit)

Quote:
Pharmacists have since moved to metric measurements, with a drop being rounded to exactly 0.05 mL (50 μL, that is, 20 drops per milliliter).



I tested my own syringe & needle and got 25 drops per ml, so 0.04ml. I made some test jars with PF substrate recently. Made about 12 of them. I put a single drop in each one of fairly dilute spore solution, from a print which was likely contaminated. I got 1 contaminated jar and 6-7 good ones and the rest grew nothing.

If doing this again I would shake the syringe better to dispere the spores better. Some attach them to something vibrating, a hair clipper might be strong enough, or people have put them in ultrasonic cleaners. I heard a claim that PF used to put agar in his commercial syringes with no nutrients to keep spores suspended. I have put a stainless steel nut in a syringe to help break up spores I suck up. If done in a clean manner the syringe & spores can be jetted out and sucked back up repeatedly to help break up any clumps.

I had an empty vendor syringe before and sucked up some LC and it grew inside and gave sucessful grows, spores must have still been present and on the rubber or walls.

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Re: Could one expand 1cc of ms in sterile water to inoc grains [Re: blackout]
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Can you expand it to more jars? Absolutely, which is why people recommend that you don't. Spreading things is trivially simple in cultivation of fungi.

The problem is that when you do that, you multiply the chances of losing everything. Look at these two situations, both using MS but one is better than the other as shown below:

1. MS > Grain > more grain
- This means we are taking a contam source (MS), growing it and then takin g the growth an spreading it to more areas. So if we do get contaminated, we will contaminate everything we expanded to. This also may be used for a bulk grow in which contamination is already present and nurtured by the cultivar.

2. MS > Grain
- In this method, where you never expand, your jars can still be contam'd individually, but you're not spreading it around and wasting even more resources.

We tend to take precautions when we are doing risky methods to avoid losing everything. Much better to lose 50% than 100%. If you really want to do grain to grain, then the best way is to use agar so you can get clean inoculations and expand those clean inocs anywhere, following proper sterile procedure.

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Re: Could one expand 1cc of ms in sterile water to inoc grains [Re: DnDRnD]
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Sorry for late reply, tbh ive been out of the game for 2 years, and needless to say was rusty, ended up trying to do the method i described in op [trying to expand my ms syringe with added sterile water] but failed, i think i diddent shake the syringe enough b4 inoc and wasted 9 jars of wbs,idk could of been a couple factors, but i have 9 jars from ms rocking and plan to gtg a couple n expand like the mycslut i am, as well as make pasty plates from the ms wbs jar kernels. But ya taking ms to grain is not a good idea at all, i just need jars to colonize quickly and cleaning it up takes a miniute. But from here out cleaning it up on agar then transfering is the only way ill do it!
Thank you and everyone else for your feedback, great stuff i love this site and you guys!


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