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    #26183055 - 09/11/19 11:27 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #26183063 - 09/11/19 11:38 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The only reason you cant use it to sterilise substrate(you dont sterilise spawn....twats) is if it cant handle the long runs.  Make sure it can cook at 15psi for 2 hours and then tell them to at least get there facts right when warning you.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Edmunter]
    #26183065 - 09/11/19 11:40 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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The only reason you cant use it to sterilise substrate(you dont sterilise spawn....twats) is if it cant handle the long runs.  Make sure it can cook at 15psi for 2 hours and then tell them to at least get there facts right when warning you.




Maybe you could use a camping stove if the canisters last long enough.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Edmunter]
    #26183069 - 09/11/19 11:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Nowhere in the manual does it say it can’t do two hours. The included recipes however only go up to 60 mins at 15psi, and 90 mins at 11psi. Should I be concerned? I’m using it to sterilize sawdust tonight for 2.5 hours.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #26183071 - 09/11/19 11:47 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Nowhere in the manual does it say it can’t do two hours. The included recipes however only go up to 60 mins at 15psi, and 90 mins at 11psi. Should I be concerned? I’m using it to sterilize sawdust tonight for 2.5 hours.




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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Edmunter]
    #26183076 - 09/11/19 11:53 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Twice as expensive as my old Presto that warped after just a couple of uses on this stove.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #26183081 - 09/11/19 11:58 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Oh bollocks.  Id look at getting a different area to cook if you have the space.  Did you complain the presto?

This is out of my knowledge base so it might be better to wait for someone who has experienced this.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Edmunter]
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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Edmunter]
    #26183119 - 09/12/19 12:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The manual of my new standard 23qt Presto doesn't mention this, so it must be specific to the induction model.
Could be that they don't recommend it for running long sterilization cycles since it wears out the bottom of the PC. The magnetic core in the bottom expands/contracts very quickly by a tiny amount under the influence of the magnetic field of the induction stove, which wears it out over time/destroys the aluminum/iron sandwich.
Avoid always using the highest heat/power mode on the stove to heat the PC and you should be fine for quite some time I guess


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: sporecap]
    #26183127 - 09/12/19 12:45 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting. I’m not actually using an induction stove, just a glass-top aka smooth-top stove. No magnets involved, so maybe I’m okay...


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: sporecap]
    #26183135 - 09/12/19 12:52 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yea my presto 23qt pc has ran 100+ cycles of grain over 4 years and the bottom is still flat. I always take 30 minutes or so of low heat(3) on my coil stove while I load the jars up and put foil on ect, then after I get my jars in and the lid on i turn the stove up to 6.5, and then back to 4.5 to complete the sterilization run. If you don't beat them up they will last a long time. They are a really great pc for the money. But i would be careful if it specifically says not to do grain cycles with it. It would be a terrible thing if your pc were to get damaged or possibly damage something/someone by using it other than directed.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: MH5109]
    #26183150 - 09/12/19 01:12 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl2: sounds like they are just trying to dodge any potential relation to the illegal mushroom growing world

if its a pressure cooker than can do the necessary PSI, then that's really all there is to it


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26183162 - 09/12/19 01:26 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Can I use my 23qt Presto for sterilising sawdust blocks on a glass stovetop? I have an LPG burner I could use but would rather not use gas.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26183163 - 09/12/19 01:28 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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:rofl2: sounds like they are just trying to dodge any potential relation to the illegal mushroom growing world

if its a pressure cooker than can do the necessary PSI, then that's really all there is to it




Yeah, my first thought was that this was a bullshit note to try to deter mushroom growers from using their products.  They're probably concerned that if their product shows up repeatedly as part of illicit mushroom grows it could be bad for public image...

Though if that is their motivation it comes at an odd time as legalization seems to be on the horizon.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Hobbyist]
    #26183167 - 09/12/19 01:36 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Make sure that it seals properly

The last two pressure cookers I bought, one a mirro 23qt and the 2nd a t-fal 23qt both were defective right out of the box, neither one seal properly so I can't keep it at a steady 15psi..

Apparently presto's are better then the two other brands I mentioned...

All American is the cream of the crop for pressure cookers and they're gasket less so no more sealing issues or replacing the gasket.

Hope yours works for you OP. 400 bucks is a lot of loot to lose to defective products just to come on here and ask "why" and find out the seal is fucked.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26183169 - 09/12/19 01:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yea I agree, but they may have changed stuff as well, the alloys used may be slightly different or something of the sort. Im sure it would be fine but i would just be careful. It would be different if that not was printed on  the bottom of a sb but its a pc that could hurt someone if something catastrophic were to happen.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Hobbyist]
    #26183170 - 09/12/19 01:38 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Its pretty funny really... unless there is something i'm missing which i'll grant is possible.

But just look at the wording - "not to be used for any aspect of mushroom growing" - seems they are specifically just making a statement that "we do not endorse the use of our products for illegal activities"

if its a pressure cooker, and it reaches at least 15psi, then it should be fine.

PCs only warp if they run dry, and that is user error.

Even warped, they still function. The components that make the seal are the main concerns in regard to danger - the gasket and release plug. As long as they are good, shouldn't be much concern. Unless user is doing things wrong and running the PC dry

Maybe their customer service has had a ton of idiots calling them about damaged PCs because they are using them wrong.... but it seems unlikely that these people would state they are trying to grow mushrooms


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: MH5109]
    #26183171 - 09/12/19 01:40 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea I agree, but they may have changed stuff as well, the alloys used may be slightly different or something of the sort. Im sure it would be fine but i would just be careful. It would be different if that not was printed on  the bottom of a sb but its a pc that could hurt someone if something catastrophic were to happen.




I'm not seeing how different alloys would have anything to do with mushroom growing specifically

If its unsafe to use for PCing jars at 90 min, then I sure as hell wouldn't be cooking food in it


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26183173 - 09/12/19 01:42 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yea you are probably right, im sure its a public message they are trying to send. I think its funny, im looking at another presto and ill make sure to look at the manual to see all the things im not supposed to do with my pc lol.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26183181 - 09/12/19 01:47 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea I agree, but they may have changed stuff as well, the alloys used may be slightly different or something of the sort. Im sure it would be fine but i would just be careful. It would be different if that not was printed on  the bottom of a sb but its a pc that could hurt someone if something catastrophic were to happen.




I'm not seeing how different alloys would have anything to do with mushroom growing specifically

If its unsafe to use for PCing jars at 90 min, then I sure as hell wouldn't be cooking food in it




If you change the composition of the metals used to make the piece of equipment, the pc, then it may have different tolerances to external factors such as heat, time of use, durability, ect. So if the pc wasn't designed to run @15psi for 2hrs plus then it could damage it. Im not saying that it would, but they just suggest against it.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: MH5109]
    #26183185 - 09/12/19 01:54 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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If you change the composition of the metals used to make the piece of equipment, the pc, then it may have different tolerances to external factors such as heat, time of use, durability, ect. So if the pc wasn't designed to run @15psi for 2hrs plus then it could damage it. Im not saying that it would, but they just suggest against it.




The problem with that line of thinking, in relation to what is stated in the manual, is that they don't say "NOT TO BE RUN FOR 2+ HOURS"

It says "not to be run for any aspect of mushroom growing"

Well, we can PC agar dishes for 20min

PC BRF jars for an hour

ETC

"Any aspect"

If its actually dangerous to run the PC for longer periods of time, then I guarantee you that the manual would state such, because otherwise Presto would be liable for any injuries resulting from someone running their PC for long periods of non-mushroom related activity


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26183190 - 09/12/19 02:07 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I just clued into what OP was actually asking....

There are a ton of people on here that use presto pressure cookers. If there was something wrong with using them for sterilizing substrate jars it would have been posted by now, could just be a warning against illegal activities to void all liabilities in court if someone were to be arrested for cultivation of actives. It's not uncommon. Some other products use to have similar warnings on them....kind of like how vendors spore syringes clearly state "for microscopic use only" :rolleyes:


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Fun-G]
    #26183240 - 09/12/19 03:56 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

ya lol u dont wanna end up like this lady that had her rocker shoot off and stick in her skull lol


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: jcm4620]
    #26183362 - 09/12/19 06:22 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

They are worried about people running them dry and warping the bottom. It’s a legal disclaimer.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26183575 - 09/12/19 08:47 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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:rofl2: sounds like they are just trying to dodge any potential relation to the illegal mushroom growing world

if its a pressure cooker than can do the necessary PSI, then that's really all there is to it




That's what I was thinking too.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26183620 - 09/12/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

As pasty said they likely don't want people running them dry. That's about the only reason that they would warp also. Mine ran dry once and now it's warped, still works fine on the stove though it just shakes a bit, no worries so long as your gaskets aren't damaged. If you're using a LP burner be sure it's super low, presto recommends keeping heat below 12k BTU, which isn't much at all. A standard cheap one is normally at least 50k when fully open.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: SimpleCultivator] * 2
    #26183965 - 09/12/19 12:03 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Next thing you know there'll be a disclaimer on sterlite shoe boxes "Not to be used as mini mushroom terrariums"


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    #26184007 - 09/12/19 12:37 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Next thing you know there'll be a disclaimer on sterlite shoe boxes "Not to be used as mini mushroom terrariums"





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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper] * 1
    #26184037 - 09/12/19 01:04 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly OP I wouldnt use that pc over a heated cooktop. Those use magnetic
fields to heat up I'm not exactly sure how direct contact with a heat source
would go using an induction pc. Does the manual say you can use it on a coil stove?

For the record it is a different alloy. It's made out of steel while the og presto
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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26184054 - 09/12/19 01:16 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I understand that it doesn't specifically say running it for 2hrs+, was a bad thing, but it doesn't specifically say to run it for 2hrs+ either. When  you print manuals out they charge by the page so when you condense information into a couple sentences it saves money, and its implied you understand using the product other than was suggested is not good. Iv messed up in the past by not following the instructions provided with equipment and most of the time all was well, but when you have to buy a new peice of equipment because you didn't follow the instructions then its up to you. Just be careful mate.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #26184093 - 09/12/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

It's most likely just a dissociation attempt as the 23q presto is mentioned by name in TEK after TEK


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: MH5109]
    #26184128 - 09/12/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I understand that it doesn't specifically say running it for 2hrs+, was a bad thing, but it doesn't specifically say to run it for 2hrs+ either. When  you print manuals out they charge by the page so when you condense information into a couple sentences it saves money, and its implied you understand using the product other than was suggested is not good. Iv messed up in the past by not following the instructions provided with equipment and most of the time all was well, but when you have to buy a new peice of equipment because you didn't follow the instructions then its up to you. Just be careful mate.





Sure, but I think the point stands: If the issue is with running it for long periods, why wouldn't they just state that blatantly and upfront, thereby covering their ass legally on a much larger scale.

Instead, they chose to specify mushroom growing. And like I said, there's lots of things you can use a PC for in growing mushrooms that take shorter times...


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Hobbyist] * 1
    #26184197 - 09/12/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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:rofl2: sounds like they are just trying to dodge any potential relation to the illegal mushroom growing world




That is what I thought, I'm surprised so many are not saying the same. As others said if there was a time limit they would say it, many people do experimental long duration cooking of meats.

the warning is in this pdf https://www.gopresto.com/uploads/01784_4033_014A_Eng_Web_instr.pdf

one difference is that it is clad with metal for the induction to work, but again they would put a time limit if there was one. It would be like solely warning not to cook steaks in a frying pan with a teflon coating, on the presumption people will have it really hot to sear it -no instead they give a temperature warning for frying pans with heat sensitive coatings.


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They're probably concerned that if their product shows up repeatedly as part of illicit mushroom grows it could be bad for public image...

Though if that is their motivation it comes at an odd time as legalization seems to be on the horizon.



Not that odd, as people might be researching now. Makes sense that they might want to distance themselves from drugs which many would still consider "bad" legal or not. A little bit similar to rolling papers, I never heard of supermarkets where I live selling own brand versions, maybe in some countries they do.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #26184239 - 09/12/19 02:52 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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See picture... this is a Presto 23-quart induction compatible pressure canner. I have a glass-top stove, and this was the only canner that’s intended for use on glass-top. But why would they say this?





Because they caught wind that 95% of their sales of that model are for growing mushrooms and they don't want the liability.

If you google the 23q presto mushrooms shit pops up lol


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26184243 - 09/12/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Honestly OP I wouldnt use that pc over a heated cooktop. Those use magnetic
fields to heat up I'm not exactly sure how direct contact with a heat source
would go using an induction pc. Does the manual say you can use it on a coil stove?

For the record it is a different alloy. It's made out of steel while the og presto
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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26184262 - 09/12/19 03:03 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Every pipe I've bought is for legal tobacco use only. So yea... use common sense. There's 1000s of people growing here many of whom use a presto 23 and way more people growing that don't log in here. There's bound to be a few retards that had massive operator error using the presto 23 and got hurt. So also they probably have been hearing about incidents going along with mushroom cultivation.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26184502 - 09/12/19 04:53 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

They specifically told me the first time I got a 23qt presto replaced that they would be changing the manual to say that PCing grain was a no-no.:rofl:


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Failboat]
    #26184508 - 09/12/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

That's the other thing is people using the warranty. I personally just buy new shit when i know i used the fuck out of it and got my moneys worth from it. But them hearing that they're used for mushroom stuff by customers looking for a warranty exchange definitely would lead to that wording


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26184537 - 09/12/19 05:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Because they caught wind that 95% of their sales of that model are for growing mushrooms and they don't want the liability.

If you google the 23q presto mushrooms shit pops up lol






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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26184541 - 09/12/19 05:12 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I simply said I was cooking grain. It corroded on me in like less than 6 months. Has happened to 3 units so far although I am still rocking the 3rd. The second unit I had replaced they didn't hive a fuck about how or what I was using it for and they gave me the actual info on said galvanic corrosion. I have been jarring and pickling as well so I'm not just a total mush-head degenerate:rasta:


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: Failboat]
    #26184578 - 09/12/19 05:31 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Botulism...


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #26184634 - 09/12/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

That is awesome. I wonder if they realize that the vast majority of mushrooms are perfectly legal and commonly grown.


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: nooneman]
    #26184878 - 09/12/19 08:34 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

If you have any experience working in a corporate environment where they come up with shit like this, its not surprising at all that this line would end up in the manual simply as an easy reaction to association with illegal activity


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Re: My new pressure canner specifically says not for mushroom growing [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26185344 - 09/13/19 06:30 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Aw c'mon Presto just own it for becoming the industry standard amongst amateur mycologists. They should have a little mushroom on the box as a nod to all of us.  :cookiemonster:


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