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#26169834 - 09/04/19 11:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Inspired by the thread about confronting alcoholism while tripping... what do you guys think of intentionally confronting negative thoughts and emotions while on psychedelics?
Is it dangerous? Have you ever done it?
Personally, I've done this almost every time I've tripped; I see psychedelics as tools to help with my depression and anxiety, so I usually am confronting some negative emotion or another during a psychedelic experience.
I've heard some people argue that you shouldn't bring things up on purpose, but rather allow negative thoughts to come, if they do, and deal with them as they appear.
What do you guys think?
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Re: Intentional bad trip [Re: PrimalSoup] 2
#26170009 - 09/05/19 03:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never intentionally, but I've experienced plenty of bad trips in my travels. My go-to is 4g dried about once every few years. Any more frequent and I appear to have less positive experiences. All based on personal experience with set, setting, and dose, of course.
If it's going to be a bad trip, it's going to be a bad trip though.
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Ive never had a "bad" trip. I have had VERY challenging times during my trips.
Ive had repressed childhood memorys come flooding back, had self confidence issues come up really strong etc.
IMO its all in how you handle these moments that can make or break your trip.
Ive pretty much taken a year off tripping due to a few challenging trips with re occuring tough times.
Safe travels friend.
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That's the only way to trip honestly. Why would you wanna trip for any other reason rather than to confront and face what troubles you, that's my intention pretty much every time I go in, if not at least to prepare for the unexpected of what I haven't yet discovered about my self.
As others have said in this thread as well, I take serious trips(to do that stuff) when it calls, when I need extra help, which usually comes once every few years, so I can do the work in daily life rather than have the mushrooms show me, sometimes we need extra help
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TheOperator said:
what do you guys think of intentionally confronting negative thoughts and emotions while on psychedelics?
You should. You should take your stand when tripping, not trying to distract ir slither away like a cowardly eel.
Let the tsunami waves of hurt and sad crash to pieces upon the rock that is you.
oh and,
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus
God is able, but not willing, to take the obstacles of evil from our path because we are here to learn and its our job to overcome and transcend our evil.
We are here to learn and for that we need the Yes and the No.
So, Epicurus was being a spoiled brat complaining why every meal cannot be strawberry cake. Because - its not good for you, Epi.
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I've introduced myself to otherwise odd experiences while tripping that could be considered scary. Some particular movies like Videodrome, really not a great idea when you're too high. But damn what a rush. The delusions can be some of the funnest shit you just have to know how to play with and keep it reined in. I've also tripped in poor moods with the expectation of something similar to what some might call a 'bad trip.' The older and more experienced I get though I'm not so sure a bad trip is anything but an adjustable perspective. Unless you're like, trying to stab out your eyeballs or something.
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....what do you guys think of intentionally confronting negative thoughts and emotions while on psychedelics?
For me, that's just part of tripping general  .
Especially with mushrooms specifically...things of that nature certainly get brought up to the surface by the mushrooms. I don't have to try to "intentionally" bring those sorts of thoughts up, they arise on their own, and pretty much every trip at one point or another.
I absolutely do not consider a trip to be a "bad trip" just because it involves negative emotions/thoughts.....Any typical trip for me involves such things at one point or another.
What you're talking about is totally just a part of working with psychedelics/tripping, comes with the territory, and is not something that is "bad", but rather the "focus" of a lot of trips, it can't be avoided.....I don't think you know what a truly "bad trip" is and what it is like if you think confronting negative thoughts/emotions to be a "bad trip".....I do not believe it is possible to "induce" or create an intentional "bad trip".
Reflecting on and "confronting" such things is a huge part of working with psychedelics IME/IMO.
Psychedelics are not all sunshine and rainbows and giggles....A lot of the time is spent in the shadow.
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Re: Intentional bad trip [Re: Asante] 1
#26171305 - 09/05/19 06:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sofaking420 said:
Ive never had a "bad" trip. I have had VERY challenging times during my trips.
Ive had repressed childhood memorys come flooding back, had self confidence issues come up really strong etc.
IMO its all in how you handle these moments that can make or break your trip.
Ive pretty much taken a year off tripping due to a few challenging trips with re occuring tough times.
Safe travels friend.
Hmm, interesting. Obviously, feelings are amplified when tripping, so even though, in real life, our feelings about an issue may not be as intense as they are when we trip, the experience is trying to show us that there's something there emotionally.
For example, I once had a trip where I cried for quite some time about being a bad role model for my nice. In retrospect, I don't feel as intensely about it as I did while tripping, but there's definitely some truth to that feeling.
This is why I feel confronting those negative feelings in this headspace is useful; sometimes we don't even know a feeling is there but then we experience it so intensely during the trip that it forces us to come to the realization that it is very much there.
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Asante said:You should. You should take your stand when tripping, not trying to distract ir slither away like a cowardly eel.
Let the tsunami waves of hurt and sad crash to pieces upon the rock that is you.
oh and,
I agree! I think it's the perfect headspace to confront "yourself" in; there's no running from the mirror that psychedelics hold up to your face.
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God is able, but not willing, to take the obstacles of evil from our path because we are here to learn and its our job to overcome and transcend our evil.
And, how do you know this?
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We are here to learn and for that we need the Yes and the No.
So, Epicurus was being a spoiled brat complaining why every meal cannot be strawberry cake. Because - its not good for you, Epi.
Once again, where did you get this knowledge?
It's very easy for some random person on the internet to call a respected and accomplished philosopher a "spoiled brat" because they don't personally agree with said philosopher's ideas.
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Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus
Edited by TheOperator (09/08/19 08:12 PM)
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why have a bad time if you can help it.
Life already throws enough shitty times at you (unless you've lived a sheltered life) that if you can steer your trip into awesomeness and enjoy the times you've tripped as fun memories then why not do that.
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#26171625 - 09/05/19 11:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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why have a bad time if you can help it.
Life already throws enough shitty times at you (unless you've lived a sheltered life) that if you can steer your trip into awesomeness and enjoy the times you've tripped as fun memories then why not do that.
I'm not against riding those indescribable waves of ecstasy during the throws of a heavy trip... but I view psychedelics as a psychological tool (not a spiritual one, mind you; I'm not spiritual). I believe that psychedelics can be used for intense introspection and self-reflection and that, in some cases, you should intentionally confront negative aspects of your life in order to gain clarity on the issues that you otherwise wouldn't have if you were sober or under the influence of other drugs.
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Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
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God is able, but not willing, to take the obstacles of evil from our path because we are here to learn and its our job to overcome and transcend our evil.
And, how do you know this?
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We are here to learn and for that we need the Yes and the No.
So, Epicurus was being a spoiled brat complaining why every meal cannot be strawberry cake. Because - its not good for you, Epi.
Once again, where did you get this knowledge?
It's very easy for some random person on the internet to call a respected and accomplished philosopher a "spoiled brat" because they don't personally agree with said philosopher's ideas.
I asked God and his was His answer. Hardships are an essential part of life, they are a feature, not a bug.
We're God's children, over our lifetime it is possible for us to enter in dialogue with Him if we approach it right and are righteous in our ways.
If you fit that bill, so can you.
Your respected and accomplished philosopher talked about God, and not with God, and he did it in a way to by the clever artifice of logic, discredit Him. Well, too bad for him, he didn't strike the right nuance, that of the necessary evil. When you look at a human life you must eschew evil, obviously. But that precisely is the purpose of Evil, to teach us by bad example. On the God level though, Evil is a force entirely encompassed by Divinity, just like gravity, and it serves a vital purpose in the Universe.
"some random person on the internet" There is no such thing. People are not random, they each have their life story, set of experiences, strengths and attributes.
The beauty of the scientific method is that you don't have to be admired and revered to add a contribution in the understanding of things. You just need to shed a better light on the existing theory.
It is patent nonsense that a God that can take Evil away but doesn't is malevolent. The gym coach can take the obstacles away from the obstacle course, but if he would, he takes away the challenge and the meaning of it.
The Universe is made of dualities and if we want the privilege of eating strawberry cake sometimes we must be willing to eat a shit sandwich at other times.
I hope you can taste the strawberries in this morsel I offer you here.
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Re: Intentional bad trip [Re: Asante] 1
#26172373 - 09/06/19 11:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A "personal experience with 'god'" is not objective, empirical evidence of god. It's probably more evidence that you're schizophrenic or psychotic than anything else. You might as well be a Jehova's Witness knocking at someone's door or a crazy person speaking tongues in the subway.
I'm done with this conversation now. Thanks for your reply.
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Ok, fuck you too.
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Why even come to a board about the psychedelic experience if all you're interested in is an empirical understanding of the world around you? This irritates me so much because I used to be an edgy atheist just like him when I was young. I strongly resent my former self for my narrow views and arrogance.
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#26174572 - 09/07/19 05:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What I underestimated was the underlying desire to advocate atheism.
"let us sharpen the swords of our knowledge on each other" is my philosophy, it makes my day if someone is able to help me cast doubt on a personal conviction. If I learn something new, if I come to a higher understanding, it enriches me.
One should not look at thousands years old texts for spirituality or philosophy for authority. It all happens right here, in the now. The Authority is always in the Now.
Bottom line is: he like most people has a God Spot in his temporal lobe, and he's fallen out of communication with it. We can only offer him to re-acquaint himself with that part of his brain.
Psychedelics may help or hinder it but it may also be accomplished sober.
He's locked out of a very important part of him, the God Level of his existence.
I hope that one day soon he tastes the strawberries.
That God is in you, in your temporal lobe, and you can communicate with Him/Her/It.
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Dactylium said:
Why even come to a board about the psychedelic experience if all you're interested in is an empirical understanding of the world around you? This irritates me so much because I used to be an edgy atheist just like him when I was young. I strongly resent my former self for my narrow views and arrogance.
And I resent the idea that because one is an atheist you have to be considered "edgy" and "narrow-minded."
Life is beautiful and fascinating with or without god. I don't need to have magical communication with a "higher being" (hallucination) to love life, people and psychedelics.
Seems you're the one with the narrow-mind.
I come to a board about the psychedelic experience because I believe there is more to the psychedelic experience than burnt out hippies mumbling about god and, the higher self, maaaaaan.
To me, psychedelics are about much more than frying at music festivals and tripping with your friends while burning essential oils and sticks of sage. Or whatever it is that hippies do.
Personal experience is a beautiful thing, it's what makes living worth living for us. But we cannot and should not mistake personal experience with reality.
note: Your self-loathing and personal issues have zero to do with atheism.
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Ok, fuck you too.
Wow, well okay. I don't see why you're so angry. I think we're just at very opposite ends of a spectrum here and I'm not sure any conversation could reconcile that. And that's okay, we're allowed to have different opinions. I'm not here to advocate atheism, I only want people to think for themselves. But, you'll have your own opinion of me, and that's okay.
In hundreds and hundreds of trips over the last decade or so, I've never had any sort of experience with god or even a trip you can consider spiritual. It seems that ones beliefs tend to influence the trip, and not the other way around.
Even if I did ever encounter some entity... I'm under the influence of a heavy dose of psychedelics at that time, right? What would make me think that it is anything other than a hallucination?
That doesn't mean that I can't draw a great wealth of knowledge and experience from said hallucination, it simply means that I understand that it is not objectively real. Personal experience is still a beautiful thing, like I mentioned above. I'm not discounting the important of personal experiences, I'm simply saying we shouldn't confuse them with objective reality.
If a difference in opinion makes you tell someone "fuck you," then I have to wonder how willing you are to even hear other points of view. All I said was I wished to end the conversation, I wasn't of the belief that we could gain anything from discussing the topic further. And after you told me "fuck you," that only reaffirms my belief.
So, like I said, I think I'm done with the conversation now. I'm not looking to advocate atheism or shut anyone down. I simply don't wish to confuse personal experience with objective reality. Good luck to you though in your future endeavors of "tasting the strawberries." I'm on a hit of blotter right now. Good vibes, dude. I'm not angry with you, even if you choose to be with me.
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Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus
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Just another example of a well intentioned thread going off the rails.
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Just another example of a well intentioned thread going off the rails.
Well, at least it wasn't intentional. Welcome to the internet.
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Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
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Make an essay of 5 pages about all the alcohol related diseases and all the bad things it caused in your life to this day. Be graphic, see some pictures of what it will do to your body in the future.
Read it everyday while listening to horror music if you wanna add to that take a microdose of shrooms, don't take a high dose, you won't be able to handle it.
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