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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26175434 - 09/08/19 08:06 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Theory is tested and is then made fact.


1) The big bang forms matter which dissolves again because of the big rip.

How was this tested?

The pressure levels at the bottom of the ocean is extremely high. This was a tested theory that is now fact...


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175435 - 09/08/19 08:07 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There are a fair few things we know we know,and even those things have things about them we know we don't know.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Wonder Boy]
    #26175462 - 09/08/19 08:16 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Theory is tested and is then made fact.


1) The big bang forms matter which dissolves again because of the big rip.

How was this tested?

The pressure levels at the bottom of the ocean is extremely high. This was a tested theory that is now fact...




The test is flawed because its internally referential, by necessity. Because we do not know everything there is to know, we cannot know that our testing method and therefore the outcome is anything more than an internally referential affair.

There might be a deeper level of reality that escapes us.


But we're moving away from the situation where energy and information are in eternal flux and that therefore all possibilities recur in every possible way, forever. Thats not as much wishful thinking as its a theory as much as any other.

You'll spend eternity in your lovers arms yes, but also eternity in the gas chamber of Krematorium II of Auschwitz, when there were 12 cans of Zyklon B needed for correct operation and there was only one can to spare.

It depends on whether you are an optimist or a pessimist to decide whether eternal reincarnation is wishful thinking or your worst nightmare.

I'm an optimist, and here is what I believe in greater detail.




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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175485 - 09/08/19 08:24 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

space is speeding up.


space has speed up so much it is moving faster than light.

The space between galaxies is expanding faster than light.

How does light reach us if space is expanding faster than light?


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: PumpJackTeX] * 1
    #26175494 - 09/08/19 08:26 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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space is speeding up.


space has speed up so much it is moving faster than light.

The space between galaxies is expanding faster than light.

How does light reach us if space is expanding faster than light?





Space is only expanding faster than light at a hypothetical point in the future.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175504 - 09/08/19 08:29 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Thing is, people mix fact and faith. No one actually knows.

I am an optimistic person though and I believe that anything is possible. The fact that we are here, now, proves that anything is possible. I will never tell anyone that what they believe is false or wrong.

What you believe is intriguing.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175515 - 09/08/19 08:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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PumpJackTeX said:
space is speeding up.


space has speed up so much it is moving faster than light.

The space between galaxies is expanding faster than light.

How does light reach us if space is expanding faster than light?





Space is only expanding faster than light at a hypothetical point in the future.




That's not how the Hulu Documentary explained it a few days ago.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Wonder Boy]
    #26175519 - 09/08/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The universe is a tub of LEGO playing with itself for all eternity. Because there is a finite way a finite number of pieces can fit together, everything that LEGO can build returns infinitely.

Its like how a random letter generator rewrites every bok in the library of congress, infinitely, with every conceivable plot twist, if its left running indefinitely.

And it is, because the self playing LEGO, and the generation of letters, is all there is.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26175520 - 09/08/19 08:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
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PumpJackTeX said:
space is speeding up.


space has speed up so much it is moving faster than light.

The space between galaxies is expanding faster than light.

How does light reach us if space is expanding faster than light?





Space is only expanding faster than light at a hypothetical point in the future.




That's not how the Hulu Documentary explained it a few days ago.





Andromeda is still going to collide with us in a billion years or so.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Wonder Boy]
    #26175526 - 09/08/19 08:39 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Thing is, people mix fact and faith. No one actually knows.

I am an optimistic person though and I believe that anything is possible. The fact that we are here, now, proves that anything is possible. I will never tell anyone that what they believe is false or wrong.

What you believe is intriguing.




The past 10 years scientist has made some really groundbreaking discoveries in the universe with data and technology.

I would highly recommend looking at the research and let the professionals explain it to you.

We know a shit load. You just got to accept the facts.

Faith is for humans not willing to accept fact.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175534 - 09/08/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

What you call fact is just another level of faith.


The perchlorate on Mars is in the form of calcium perchlorate by the way, Ca(ClO4)2 which is readily soluble in water (1.88kg/liter)and so can be easily leached from the soil.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175541 - 09/08/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so if you really fucking beleive 2+2=5 then it is entirely possible?

Bullshit

Our entire universe is govern by laws and cold hard facts


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175549 - 09/08/19 08:52 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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What you call fact is just another level of faith.







and thats science


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #26175550 - 09/08/19 08:52 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Okay so if you really fucking beleive 2+2=5 then it is entirely possible?

Bullshit

Our entire universe is govern by laws and cold hard facts





Its entirely possible that 2+2=5 is possible in a way, and that it may be underlying our reality.

There are scientists who believe that our 3D universe is a holographic structure on the 2D event horizon of a black hole, and that this whole third dimension is illusory.

Holding a cube or a sphere, that third dimension is damned convincing for an illusion.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Asante]
    #26175553 - 09/08/19 08:53 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

get over urself ur a sim


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: cannabinated]
    #26175555 - 09/08/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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What you call fact is just another level of faith.







and thats science





Science is the dominant religion of our neck of the woods. Perceived tenants of it are religiously defended by many who dont quite understand them :awesomenod: Progress about this new religion is that its a LIVING religion, the dogma is amended continuously, instead of static in a dusty old book.


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: cannabinated]
    #26175557 - 09/08/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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get over urself ur a sim





I'm not a sim, I'm an avatar on a sim :smile:






I'm talking virtual reality baby!


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Wonder Boy]
    #26176128 - 09/08/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Theory is tested and is then made fact.


1) The big bang forms matter which dissolves again because of the big rip.

How was this tested?

The pressure levels at the bottom of the ocean is extremely high. This was a tested theory that is now fact...



Yeah I agree with this completely. I don't buy a lot of astrophysics theories, they are proven wrong pretty much on the reg and at the time they are always considered facts. Scientists can be as blind as religious folk when they want to be


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Re: 0.5-1% of Martian soil is perchlorate. [Re: Wonder Boy]
    #26176160 - 09/08/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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We've just finally discovered how to land

You know, landing, like essentially the most important part of flight. Might I add the ship that did it failed three separate times in a row before it finally went from space to a landing pad




That's how you learn and grow. In 10 years they will be able to land with their eyes closed.

Focus on the progression not the fails.



I'm not saying failures prove anything. I'm saying we have invented a raft and we think we are going to cross the Pacific ocean. There are sooooo many problems that have absolutely zero proof that they are possible let alone practical or viable. Large scale testing wouldnt even be that hard. Create a biodime that perfectly recreates Mars, fuck with it to see what's possible. But it is expensive, and all that funding gets shoved into rockets and shit that barely matters.

Yes, we can get a metal tube into space. But can we create a habitat that survives all Martian weather? It's not like you can just walk outside and do a repair. Space is relatively speaking way easier than Mars. The international space station is right the fuck there, we can get there in a couple hours, and we send them shit all the time. Where are they going to get 30 years of guaranteed food? What happens if their greenhouse fails and they lose all their crops? You realize we send Mars rovers out there to die? Legit our plan is to just get as many weeks as possible out of them, some of them last longer and some last less than expected.

The irony is you are talking about scientific testing and this is completely untested theory. ESPECIALLY terraforming, there is zero proof we can actually do that. What if a solar flare strips the atmosphere away? What if the intense radiation turns oxygen into ozone at a runaway pace and it turns into giant oven?

I think of we can figure out how to fix this planet, we have a chance. But we are just two kids with a raft trying to sail to India


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