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OfflineSpooge
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defensive drug use?
    #2616886 - 04/29/04 04:36 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2616941 - 04/29/04 04:45 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Don't cave in to them. You know the truth. Maybe you could show them Erowid's or something.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2616988 - 04/29/04 04:53 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

The solution is to show them believable sources contradicting thier beliefs. Erowid and the Shroomery are good sources of information, but may be dismissed as being pro-drug by the ignorant.

I'll do a lil bit of research, and if other people could post any sites or articles that might work, that'd help.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2616998 - 04/29/04 04:56 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Ignorance is bliss, let them keep their eyes closed and continue to slowly kill themselves with booze and tabbacco. They don't want to believe, don't waste your breathe.....just nod and smile.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617003 - 04/29/04 04:57 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_471.html

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The hallucinogenic psilocybin and psilocin found in mushrooms have low toxicity. Studies in mice showed that doses up to 200 mg of psilocybin/kg of body can injected without lethal effects. That implies that an average human with body weight of 65 kg can be injected 13 grams of the psychoactive mushroom ingredient without experiencing any lethal effects (WWW 1).




This is opposed to perhaps .1 g average dose.

(This article references Erowid, but might be considered more reliable by the uninformed)


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617052 - 04/29/04 05:05 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

i get the same thing man.

mostly with lsd tho. I swear im just going to carry a bunch of printouts with all the proof so i can just slep in in there faces.

i dont ever feel like arguig about it but i feel its my duty to rid the world of ignorence. Ignorence is the reason for anything and everything that is evil in this world. Hate, greed, jealousy, every damn thing like that is a result of ignorence.

i will not stand for it!

after i get on my soap box and preach for a good while thye will usually give in and relaize i know wtf im talking about because i start using wierd vocabulary that i hardly even understand :gd_icon:

my solution for the few of my firends that are aprehensive is to take them to a show...the show will cure most anyone.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617137 - 04/29/04 05:23 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617146 - 04/29/04 05:26 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Just carry printouts of research reports in your pocket :grin:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617151 - 04/29/04 05:26 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

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Very frustrating. Maybe it's not worth it.



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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Krishna]
    #2617159 - 04/29/04 05:28 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

yeah, but they would begin to read it, laugh and stop. THEN, someone would go on the internet and print double my amount of pages, with information contradicting mine(it would all be crap, but of course they'd believe it).


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2617165 - 04/29/04 05:30 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

You might be right. But it is very hard to do that. Because I hate ignorance. I guess if I am to do that, I will actually have to train myself to not get frustrated.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617167 - 04/29/04 05:30 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Go to the NIDA (or DEA) website. Most of the information there is biased, but backed up. The only really unbelievable stuff has to do w/ MDMA, and that's because there is a NIDA-funded researcher (Ricaurte) who is so fool of shit it spills into peer-reviewed journals.

Accept the challenge. Not to prove that shrooms are harmless, because they aren't always harmless. But challenge them to show ANY believable sight that claims that you can OD on psilocybin or LSD, or that they cause stomach bleeding or whatever other rediculous things they are saying.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617169 - 04/29/04 05:31 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

No way they can find double the pages of bullshit info.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2617191 - 04/29/04 05:38 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Here is an open challenge: find 5 non-blogger non-geocities websites that claim that 1) it is possible to overdose on psilocybin, 2) it is possible to get addicted to magic mushrooms, 3) LSD or other hallucinogens rots your brain, stays in your spine, or causes your stomach to bleed, or any other totally rediculous myth.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2617207 - 04/29/04 05:42 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617252 - 04/29/04 05:52 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)



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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617299 - 04/29/04 06:00 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=3768

OK, here's an article from a print newspaper (about LSD - sorry, it's just more famous than mushrooms) that contains the statement:
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No one has ever died from a direct toxic overdose of LSD.




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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617303 - 04/29/04 06:02 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

phi1618 said:
The only really unbelievable stuff has to do w/ MDMA, and that's because there is a NIDA-funded researcher (Ricaurte) who is so fool of shit it spills into peer-reviewed journals.




They actually admitted that it was complete and utter bullshit. Only they pushed out the wrong info so fast and far and then never made a pubic anouncement that it was all wrong. For all you know it was their idea from the beginning. It obviously worked in their favor., in that people still think it is the truth.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: d33p]
    #2617326 - 04/29/04 06:06 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_psyche.html

Here is an article from the Food and Drug Administration on research involving psychedelic drugs that includes this allarming assesment of the risks of LSD:

Quote:

LSD, for example, can dilate pupils; increase body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, and sweating; and cause loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors. Also, many LSD users experience flashbacks, spontaneous recurrences of certain aspects of the person's "trip" (without the user having taken the drug again). Long-term LSD users may develop psychoses, such as schizophrenia and severe depression.




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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617348 - 04/29/04 06:11 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617364 - 04/29/04 06:15 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Stay Drug-Free Kids


From the fount of all true drug knowlege, the Partnership for a Drug Free America, we recieve this horrifying revalation about the incarnate evil of LSD:

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Some LSD users experience flashbacks, recurrence of certain aspects of a person's experience without the user having taken the drug again. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, and may occur within a few days or more than a year after LSD use. Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered to be an addicting drug because it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior like cocaine, amphetamines, heroin, alcohol, or nicotine.




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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617378 - 04/29/04 06:17 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Way to go!

You know, if you convert enough people, you get into the extra-good heaven. :wink:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617394 - 04/29/04 06:19 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617504 - 04/29/04 06:37 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

From http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_278.html

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LSD has been part of our culture for many decades, and there have been many myths circulating that are in fact false. First of all, LSD does not in any way form crystals that stay in the body to later be dislodged, causing flashbacks. LSD is a crystalline but dissolves very easily in water, so cannot for any solid deposits. In addition to this, LSD is almost entirely metabolized within an hour of ingestion. Only about 50f the original amount ingested remains, and this is excreted in the urine. All traces are undetectable after several days and are certainly gone entirely within a couple of weeks(WWW2). This debunks the myth that LSD stays in your body forever. The main thing that keeps these rumors circulating the is fact that some people (though very few) experience "flashbacks" (generally within a few months after a hallucinogenic experience). It is generally accepted, however, that these flashbacks are not the result of LSD remaining in the system.





Don't tell anyone: I think this might be a college student's term paper.  :blush:  In any case, it uses Erowid as a reference. However, to the sceptical, the berkeley domain might lend it some credibility.

The problem is that most sources don't even mention the common myths about LSD.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: phi1618]
    #2617588 - 04/29/04 06:52 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

ask them where they get there info. And then show them that your info is from very highly respected individuals who know wtf they were doing. Just because its off hte internet doesent mean you ant find it anywhere else. Find some in print that gives sources and everything and then let them chew on that for a while :smile:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617680 - 04/29/04 07:12 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

DUDE!!! Yes, psilocybin and LSD are low in the toxicity index. And yes, you would have to eat your body weight or so to "OD" on shrooms. And yeah, LSD won't make you brain bleed , etc....

But don't forget the BEST argument that clears the name of the entheogens:

Psilocybin is nearly chemically identical to seratonin! OK dipshits (is what you'll tell these ignoramuses)? Psilocybin is not just some dirty fucking poison that makes you sick and that's why you trip. It causes you to hallucinate an alternate vision in the same way that seratonin causes you to perceive everyday normalcy. Psilocybin fits like a key in a lock into the neurotransmitter receptors in your brain! You can't even compare common poisons like alcohol to indole ring alkoloids which fit into receptors in your brain like it was some sort or divine plan.

That has got to be your best arsenal against brainwashed ignoramuses. Psilocybin works in a very specific way, just like highly specialized neurotransmitters. It doesn't just poison your liver to slow you down like fucking alchohol or some shit. Jesus.

Good luck casting pearls before swine!


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2617784 - 04/29/04 07:33 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

I'm sorry dude.  I think all of us here have encountered those sort of ignorant attitudes now and then, and yes, it's truly sad.  But you know the truth and you have no reason to be ashamed of your drug use, so don't let them wear ya down.  :smile:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Viveka]
    #2617963 - 04/29/04 08:11 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Good posts by everyone. I'll post the "results" of my attempt to prove them wrong. Should be within the week or less.

Attitudes of people like the ones I'm talking about are just another contributing factor to the anxiety of doing these substances. How can one TRULY enjoy the experiences of psychedelics(when starting out especially), when there is so much negative thoughts and feelings around it's use?


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2618011 - 04/29/04 08:26 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

"ehhh, alcohol's pretty safe. I'm sure it's a hell of a lot safer for your body then mushrooms".




Unfortunately, this is a common misconception... :shake: :nonono:


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2618165 - 04/29/04 09:06 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Get yourself a copy of "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" by Peter Stafford. Keep it on you when you will encounter those ignorant parrots. Don't back down from them. Let them know that they are exhibiting true stupidity. Ignorance is not knowing any better, stupidity is not wanting to know the truth.


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Spooge]
    #2618305 - 04/29/04 09:47 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

ignorance is bad news


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2618881 - 04/29/04 11:37 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

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Ekstaza said:
Get yourself a copy of "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" by Peter Stafford. Keep it on you when you will encounter those ignorant parrots. Don't back down from them. Let them know that they are exhibiting true stupidity. Ignorance is not knowing any better, stupidity is not wanting to know the truth.




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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: Vulture]
    #2619013 - 04/30/04 12:06 AM (18 years, 22 days ago)

My stepfather is a local judge and has a biology degree...We had a nice conversation about shrooms...He knows i have grown before and asked me if i ever had a flashback :nut:Man we had a good talk and really cleared up a lot of bad crap he thought shrooms did....He is  such a cool dude because he listened to what i told him an weighed the evidence and agreed with most all i said....I didnt convince him to do them but if some unfortunate kid gets dragged in his courtroom for getting caught picking shrooms he probably will be more lenient if possible....You gotta remember that He is an exceptionally smart man and most judges arent and just wanna jail your ass


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Re: defensive drug use? [Re: OldSpice]
    #2620302 - 04/30/04 09:39 AM (18 years, 22 days ago)

That's awesome that you were able to converse with him about something like shrooms and he listened. A lot of people in his shoes might not have cared to even listen. I've talked to some cops I know about things like that and very few really give me any credit. I also was afraid to disclose too much info with them. It made it a little difficult having to dance around some questions.


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