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Spooge
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defensive drug use?

#2616886 - 04/29/04 04:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Edited by Spooge (11/18/12 01:29 PM)

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Re: defensive drug use?

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#2616941 - 04/29/04 04:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Don't cave in to them. You know the truth. Maybe you could show them Erowid's or something.

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#2616988 - 04/29/04 04:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

The solution is to show them believable sources contradicting thier beliefs. Erowid and the Shroomery are good sources of information, but may be dismissed as being pro-drug by the ignorant.

I'll do a lil bit of research, and if other people could post any sites or articles that might work, that'd help.

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#2616998 - 04/29/04 04:56 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Ignorance is bliss, let them keep their eyes closed and continue to slowly kill themselves with booze and tabbacco. They don't want to believe, don't waste your breathe.....just nod and smile.

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#2617003 - 04/29/04 04:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_471.html

Quote:

The hallucinogenic psilocybin and psilocin found in mushrooms have low toxicity. Studies in mice showed that doses up to 200 mg of psilocybin/kg of body can injected without lethal effects. That implies that an average human with body weight of 65 kg can be injected 13 grams of the psychoactive mushroom ingredient without experiencing any lethal effects (WWW 1).

This is opposed to perhaps .1 g average dose.

(This article references Erowid, but might be considered more reliable by the uninformed)

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#2617052 - 04/29/04 05:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i get the same thing man.

mostly with lsd tho. I swear im just going to carry a bunch of printouts with all the proof so i can just slep in in there faces.

i dont ever feel like arguig about it but i feel its my duty to rid the world of ignorence. Ignorence is the reason for anything and everything that is evil in this world. Hate, greed, jealousy, every damn thing like that is a result of ignorence.

i will not stand for it!

after i get on my soap box and preach for a good while thye will usually give in and relaize i know wtf im talking about because i start using wierd vocabulary that i hardly even understand :gd_icon:

my solution for the few of my firends that are aprehensive is to take them to a show...the show will cure most anyone.

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#2617137 - 04/29/04 05:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Edited by Spooge (11/18/12 01:29 PM)

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#2617146 - 04/29/04 05:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Just carry printouts of research reports in your pocket :grin:

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#2617151 - 04/29/04 05:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Very frustrating. Maybe it's not worth it.

Smile and nod, and know your better than them.

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#2617159 - 04/29/04 05:28 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, but they would begin to read it, laugh and stop. THEN, someone would go on the internet and print double my amount of pages, with information contradicting mine(it would all be crap, but of course they'd believe it).

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#2617165 - 04/29/04 05:30 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You might be right. But it is very hard to do that. Because I hate ignorance. I guess if I am to do that, I will actually have to train myself to not get frustrated.

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#2617167 - 04/29/04 05:30 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Go to the NIDA (or DEA) website. Most of the information there is biased, but backed up. The only really unbelievable stuff has to do w/ MDMA, and that's because there is a NIDA-funded researcher (Ricaurte) who is so fool of shit it spills into peer-reviewed journals.

Accept the challenge. Not to prove that shrooms are harmless, because they aren't always harmless. But challenge them to show ANY believable sight that claims that you can OD on psilocybin or LSD, or that they cause stomach bleeding or whatever other rediculous things they are saying.

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#2617169 - 04/29/04 05:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

No way they can find double the pages of bullshit info.

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#2617191 - 04/29/04 05:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Here is an open challenge: find 5 non-blogger non-geocities websites that claim that 1) it is possible to overdose on psilocybin, 2) it is possible to get addicted to magic mushrooms, 3) LSD or other hallucinogens rots your brain, stays in your spine, or causes your stomach to bleed, or any other totally rediculous myth.

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#2617207 - 04/29/04 05:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Edited by Spooge (11/18/12 01:30 PM)

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#2617252 - 04/29/04 05:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

phi1618 said:
http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_471.html

Thanks for the link :laugh:

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#2617299 - 04/29/04 06:00 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=3768

OK, here's an article from a print newspaper (about LSD - sorry, it's just more famous than mushrooms) that contains the statement:

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No one has ever died from a direct toxic overdose of LSD.

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#2617303 - 04/29/04 06:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

phi1618 said:
The only really unbelievable stuff has to do w/ MDMA, and that's because there is a NIDA-funded researcher (Ricaurte) who is so fool of shit it spills into peer-reviewed journals.

They actually admitted that it was complete and utter bullshit. Only they pushed out the wrong info so fast and far and then never made a pubic anouncement that it was all wrong. For all you know it was their idea from the beginning. It obviously worked in their favor., in that people still think it is the truth.

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#2617326 - 04/29/04 06:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_psyche.html

Here is an article from the Food and Drug Administration on research involving psychedelic drugs that includes this allarming assesment of the risks of LSD:

Quote:

LSD, for example, can dilate pupils; increase body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, and sweating; and cause loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors. Also, many LSD users experience flashbacks, spontaneous recurrences of certain aspects of the person's "trip" (without the user having taken the drug again). Long-term LSD users may develop psychoses, such as schizophrenia and severe depression.

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#2617348 - 04/29/04 06:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Edited by Spooge (11/18/12 01:30 PM)

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