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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26158340 - 08/29/19 02:00 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Unless we do it like other countries.  :shrug:


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26158475 - 08/29/19 06:10 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I think the argument against universal healthcare in the U.S. is that white people don't want to pay for nonwhites. Middleclass people don't want to pay for poor people, and rich people don't want to pay for anybody.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26158563 - 08/29/19 07:29 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Before we go universal healthcare.....Impeding issues like pricing, transparency, and cost need to be discussed, otherwise, I dont feel it would be cheaper or cost effective.(just like it is now)


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #26158808 - 08/29/19 10:35 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Just like it is now? You mean like how medicare is already significantly cheaper per person than private health insurance? It's on the order of like 15%, and medicare operates with less scale now, so it would only get cheaper as buying power increased.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26158897 - 08/29/19 11:23 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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I think the argument against universal healthcare in the U.S. is that white people don't want to pay for nonwhites. Middleclass people don't want to pay for poor people, and rich people don't want to pay for anybody.



Bernie's plan charged people based on income, and would have been cheaper for the bottom 95%.  I think the argument against it is that people feel sorry for the rich who would have to pay more than they are now.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26159081 - 08/29/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Well if the rich have to pay more then they won’t create jobs because trickle down


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: koods]
    #26159086 - 08/29/19 01:18 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: koods]
    #26159105 - 08/29/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Well if the rich have to pay more then they won’t create jobs because trickle down





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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Patlal]
    #26159218 - 08/29/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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What are the talking points of those who are against it?



Most Americans would support it but powerful lobbying forces have prevented it from becoming law. There is also a contingent of Americans who would rather the USA became third world country than see the poor get free healthcare with no debt. American culture worships money and if you are poor you are considered to be morally defective.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26159492 - 08/29/19 06:23 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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American culture worships money and if you are poor you are considered to be morally defective.




This is 100% true. In the US, your morality is dictated by your bank account.

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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26159594 - 08/29/19 07:24 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Medicare say otherwise. It’s already significantly cheaper and more effective than private insurance. The big gubberment scary stories are pretty weak.



Are you actually saying that medicare is better care than private insurance?  You don't actually believe that, do you?


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Enlil]
    #26159613 - 08/29/19 07:32 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Could be based on what policy one has?  There be those"Cadillac" policies .The only other tangible example for government  health care is the Department of Veterans Affairs. IMO, not to good of a track record.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26159627 - 08/29/19 07:38 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Medicare say otherwise. It’s already significantly cheaper and more effective than private insurance. The big gubberment scary stories are pretty weak.



Are you actually saying that medicare is better care than private insurance?  You don't actually believe that, do you?




https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/journal-article/2002/oct/medicare-vs-private-insurance-rhetoric-and-reality

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Seems like you’re the one with beliefs.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: christopera]
    #26159651 - 08/29/19 07:52 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

That doesn't address the point at all.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Enlil]
    #26159672 - 08/29/19 08:00 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

"better"

Please define.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: christopera]
    #26159676 - 08/29/19 08:02 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Meaning that Medicare provides care that even the best private insurance would not.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26159683 - 08/29/19 08:04 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

What a shit position.

Of course if you have endless cash you can buy private insurance that's better than medicare. Nobody is arguing otherwise. The rich will still have better care, that's obvious.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: christopera]
    #26159690 - 08/29/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Then Medicare for all is a downgrade for some.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26159698 - 08/29/19 08:08 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

No shit.

But it's a giant fucking upgrade for the majority.

So what exactly are you trying to prove? That you some how favor the rich on this position?


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Enlil]
    #26159716 - 08/29/19 08:14 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Then Medicare for all is a downgrade for some.




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