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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Patlal]
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It will cost an unbelievably large amount. We'll have to give up a lot of other stuff to do it. Funding for lots of stuff will have to get cut, social programs, welfare programs, all sorts of services. Even then we'll probably have to raise taxes.

Still, I actually support universal healthcare in some form in America. I just think there will be serious downsides and consequences.

Private insurance will never go away, it'll be more like the government paying for your private insurance at a basic level if you can't afford or don't want to buy something better.

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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: nooneman] * 2
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nooneman said:
It will cost an unbelievably large amount. We'll have to give up a lot of other stuff to do it. Funding for lots of stuff will have to get cut, social programs, welfare programs, all sorts of services. Even then we'll probably have to raise taxes.

Still, I actually support universal healthcare in some form in America. I just think there will be serious downsides and consequences.

Private insurance will never go away, it'll be more like the government paying for your private insurance at a basic level if you can't afford or don't want to buy something better.


No.  Healthcare will be 50% cheaper for everybody...

Private insurance went away in all the countries who had it before they got universal healthcare.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: nooneman] * 2
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nooneman said:
It will cost an unbelievably large amount. We'll have to give up a lot of other stuff to do it. Funding for lots of stuff will have to get cut, social programs, welfare programs, all sorts of services. Even then we'll probably have to raise taxes.

Still, I actually support universal healthcare in some form in America. I just think there will be serious downsides and consequences.

Private insurance will never go away, it'll be more like the government paying for your private insurance at a basic level if you can't afford or don't want to buy something better.


It wont work unless private insurance goes away. That's the only way it could be affordable.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
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Private insurance will poof out of existence the day a universal plan passes. Private insurance simply won't be able to compete in any way when there is a public option that has the bargaining power of the government behind it.

The only reason Obamacare didn't kill private insurance is because it was built to do as little as possible. Obamacare was basically the republican proposal from 2007, before it became SoCiAlIsM.

Any sort of universal coverage with government bargaining power will result in pretty much everyone, including all the rich folk, moving to the public option. It will just be cheaper. If we pay for it with increased taxes, then taxes will go up, but the burden of insurance premiums will disappear. It will end up saving money for everyone involved, by cutting out one hell of a middleman. You won't have to fund health insurance lobbying costs anymore.

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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Kryptos]
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Stop making sense

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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: ballsalsa] * 9
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Number of people who go bankrupt every year because of medical bills:

UK - 0
France - 0
Spain - 0
Portugal- 0
Denmark - 0
Australia - 0
Iceland - 0
Italy - 0
Finland - 0
Ireland - 0
Germany - 0
Netherlands - 0
Sweden - 0
Japan - 0
Chile - 0
Canada - 0

United States - 643,000


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: YangSupporter]
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It'd bankrupt Ohio.  Thing is people say it is socialist and they don't want Govt controlling their health.  Yet they support the Veterans Administration and that's exactly what that is.

Govt already controls massive amounts of health doctrines.  They can force treatments and often do.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Because “government controlling your health” is such a sinister framing. Do you want healthcare to be treated like a public service akin to firefighters and roads? Sounds way better.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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That's just how Republicans think.  They really believe it'd limit freedoms and be the beginning of the end.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Morel Guy said:
That's just how Republicans think.  They really believe it'd limit freedoms and be the beginning of the end.


Republicans have no understanding of freedom.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: YangSupporter]
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Mmmm freedom for them and what they want and for no one outside their group.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Freedom for the rich wage slavery for the rest.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Patlal]
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Main argument against it for me is that without paying anything you become just another patient the doctor has to get rid of.

Healthcare didn't always used to cost so much. Lots of type A assholes that just want a fat paycheck and prestige become doctors these days. Administration costs need to go down as well, those guys make way more than doctors.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: yeah]
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A pdoc in a ward charges $100 or roundabout just for glancing at a file.  Drs sending bills you never meet.  They write a script as a weapons inventory before you even arrive.

They wonder why people would rather just dope.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: YangSupporter]
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YangSupporter said:
Freedom for the rich wage slavery for the rest.


Lol

Our regulations push factories overseas where there is true slave wages and pollution.

But you don't care about that.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: XUL] * 1
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wouldn't your perspective on that be that slavelike conditions in other countries is their problem to handle and as Americans we need to focus on American issues?


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: XUL]
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Cost and standard of living is lower over there.  You never hear about equivalent wages across nations.  Lot's of folks retire aay from the US exactly for those reasons.

Regulations are what keep a standard of living.  They keep workers safe.  They help cut back on a lot of disease as well.

Boohoo about reguations, boohoo.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
YangSupporter said:
Freedom for the rich wage slavery for the rest.


Lol

Our regulations push factories overseas where there is true slave wages and pollution.

But you don't care about that.


Shhhhhhh....that doesn't fit the narrative. We just need minimum wage to be $100/hr. or UBI to be $1,000/mo. and everything will balance out. DUH.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
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Sad that people do think that, when the causes of wealth gap are very complex and ancient.


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Re: What's the argument against universal healthcare in the US [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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"life's not fair pal that's just the way it is"

"no you can't tax the rich like that it's not fair!!!"

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