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 verum subsequentis
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 Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook  [Re: vertygo] 2
#26144766 - 08/20/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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drying outside on a big homemade strainer is the only way to go if you are doing lots of grain. my birdseed is ready in a half hour.
  
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: vertygo]
#26144773 - 08/20/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am and have previously done such bulk. I have a large enough open floor plan that I just turn the AC up a bit. If you want to dry faster use a fan. Of you want to blow it out the window use a fan in front of a window. If you use a dehydrator it will get hot and humid and your grain will cook, unevenly at that without much stirring which would be hot labor. Hot labor sucks.
Verum, what kind of mesh is that? At this point I ought to build one of those. I'm upgrading to bags now that I have my 200qt SAB.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: vertygo]
#26144785 - 08/20/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
vertygo said:
I was thinking dense steam rising to the same spot vs cold wet grains being dried
After cooking rinse in cool water until you don't see steam, shouldn't take more than a min. Problem solved.
Some teks even recommend this for that reason:
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SpitballJedi said:
After 45 mins, pour the rye in a strainer to drain. Shake it around a couple of times and immediately give it a decent rinse under a cold tap. The cold water rinse cools the grain and prevents steam evaporation.
It also stops the cooking process, which will be less likely to end up with burst grains.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Failboat]
#26144794 - 08/20/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's... uhhh.... I can't remember right now. I think it's aluminum but my brain is farting at the moment. I know the first one i made was aluminum. It worked wonderfully for quite a while but wasn't big enough. This new one dries 18 gallons of wbs in about a half hour. I've loaded it up after only five minutes as well and done fine. My last test was into jars @ 5, 10, 20, 30, 60, 120, and ... i forget. everywhere from still sloppy wet to super scary dry. They all colonized fine.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Failboat]
#26144798 - 08/20/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said:
Verum, what kind of mesh is that? At this point I ought to build one of those. I'm upgrading to bags now that I have my 200qt SAB.
Quirk, one option is to just head to a Home Depot or somewhere and go to the screen window section and find these extendable window screens. Get the biggest one. Pre-constructed they're like $8 and they fold down nice and easy:
It's not perfect, I loose a few grains from coming off the side, etc. This is 20c (dry cups, no idea how many after cooking) cooked oats. Made 4 large 5#~ish bags with it.
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Quote:
verum subsequentis said:
It's... uhhh.... I can't remember right now. I think it's aluminum
The packaging in your pics says Aluminum 
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Zero Nowhere]
#26144807 - 08/20/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zero Nowhere said:
Like I posted earlier... I loaded really wet. Grains were wet after pc. But then next day they were dry. They must absorb water while they're cooling, or something. I've seen it 2 batches in a row now.
My rye berries are never wet, they absorb everything since they're heated.
There is usually excess moisture in my WBS after the PC tho... but you are right, as they cool they wick it all in and excess moisture is gone all by itself in a day or two.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#26144817 - 08/20/19 02:42 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShaperDreaming said:
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verum subsequentis said:
It's... uhhh.... I can't remember right now. I think it's aluminum
The packaging in your pics says Aluminum
Well then, there you go
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Been doing it this way for prolly 10 years. The only difference is I let it drain/dry closer to an hour. When I lift the strainer and there are 0 drips when I shake it, its ready to load up.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#26145291 - 08/20/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I made up some wbs grain water agar 3 days ago it had corn in it, had a bit of sediment that i filtered out after the soak was 24h and started by dumping simmering water in the grain and covering.
Mixed 10g agar powder, 400ml grain water, 100ml water. It turned out a bit stiffer then id like. Also fairly cloudy.
I've inoculated but still no signs of life been keeping a 72/75f. Ill keep you guys posted. Also used b+.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Socomred]
#26145533 - 08/20/19 11:13 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I PCd 16pints of Milo and 3 bags. The jars were just right and the bags a bit wet, but I kinda messed up so I'm not suprised. Aside from my top bag deciding to expand and not stay folded and airtight like the others, it worked perfectly.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Failboat]
#26369011 - 12/08/19 12:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What was your take on leaving the sunflowers in? Would that still include the rinsing?
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Failboat]
#26369022 - 12/08/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do still rinse but im not nearly as thorough. It's easy to be picky with a few jars worth of grain but being as anal with an entire bag takes forever/isnt nessacary.
I'll still skim easy floaters too but not that carefully. Sfs dont seem to hold much water but grain is grain
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy]
#26369223 - 12/08/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I’m on that too with the 30 minutes and done with good straining verum. I like The wire mesh strainers for wbs. Other strainers I’ve used caused some excess water and clumping on let’s say a cooked wbs tek or even boiled water bath. Often people who have issues with clumping are over cooking or just not draining the grain right.
Another item if you do have clumping issues is adding some pickling lime to the bath. It gets the gunk off after a rinse. But I’ve also used some seriously dirty wbs (Pennington finch seed from Walmart) corn, rocks and al kinds of stuff in there.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy]
#26862662 - 08/04/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry to bump your old threads, but we were talking on my thread the other day, are you still doing things this way?
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: naturehead]
#26862739 - 08/04/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy]
#26890586 - 08/20/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just prepped some wbs this way. It's killer. I have some leftover. Think it'll be fine to sit in the fridge for ~24 hours until I can PC the second batch of leftover jars?
Normally, I'd say it isn't a problem. But I'm not sure since this already has an overnight step from the soak
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Gan]
#26890640 - 08/20/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I make my WBS like this, works great🙏
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: seand04]
#26934294 - 09/13/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whats good & reasonably priced WBS would you recommend?
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: pitriot]
#26934354 - 09/13/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prices are different in different locations. Look for something cheap with as little cracked corn and sunflower seeds as possible. Songbird mixes are mostly millet. I get whatever is on sale and it works just fine. My 2 cents. That said, I wanna give a thumbs up for this method (since this keeps getting bumped). As luck would have it, I rediscovered some birdseed I had laying around and ran some a couple nights ago (believe Aka mentioned it...) and very satisfied with not wasting propane on simmering. Caveman style with free creek water and a big pot. Let time do the work. Beautiful result with cracked corn and sunflower seeds and everything. Barley has me spoiled but it was a fun intermission... Made me nostalgic working with birdseed again
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