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CosmicFool said:
I'm pretty sure this is just a CT thing
but I'd be interested to know if other states are doing this fuckery

to cut down on plastic CT is doing away with plastic bags
so now stores are either not offering bags or charging you for them

so today I decided to pick up tacos for the family
and now I have to carry food and drinks for a family of 4 without a bag

who decided this was a good idea

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split_by_nine said:
get a cool reusable shopping bag or two RP.

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bodhisatta said:

They're like ten cents lol...

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CosmicFool said:
I'm pretty sure this is just a CT thing
but I'd be interested to know if other states are doing this fuckery

to cut down on plastic CT is doing away with plastic bags
so now stores are either not offering bags or charging you for them

so today I decided to pick up tacos for the family
and now I have to carry food and drinks for a family of 4 without a bag

who decided this was a good idea

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They're like ten cents lol...

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CosmicFool said:
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but I had no idea that the UK and Canada had been doing it

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As the ban on thin plastic bags came into effect in earnest Tuesday in Montreal, environmentalists hailed the move as an important first step in the fight against a global scourge.

Tuesday was also World Environment Day, and the United Nations issued a report describing plastic as one of the greatest threats to the planet, with 8 million tonnes of plastic waste ending up in the world’s oceans each year.

At the same time, some Montreal shopkeepers protested against what they called draconian regulations. Shopkeepers and corporations found violating the ban face fines ranging from $200 to as high as $4,000 for repeat offences

“We are all human, we want what’s best for the planet,” said Tunc, the manager of a downtown dépanneur who asked that his last name not be used.

He has been warning his regular customers for three months that he would have to start charging 10 or 15 cents for thicker plastic bags, depending on the size. But many of his clients are tourists who don’t carry bags with them, he noted. City inspectors had already visited with directives, warning him of the fines.

“For a little store, it’s tough for me,” he said. “A $4,000 fine? That’s crazy.”

He used to pay $18 for 1,000 thin plastic bags. Now he pays $65 for 1,000 of the thicker ones, offset by the charge to customers that he is obligated to include.

Montreal announced it would become the largest municipality in Canada to ban thin plastic bags in 2016. It took nearly two years to enforce the ban to give store owners the time to deplete their stock of thin bags the city says take years to degrade in landfills and float into waterways. Recycling rates for plastic bags are poor, the city says. Thicker plastic bags are still allowed on the reasoning that they can be reused up to 150 times. The city has intimated it could one day adopt a total ban of plastic bags.

Environmental groups applauded, but had their reservations about how often the thicker bags will be reused. Some grocery stores have reported customers are using just as many of the thicker bags as they did the thin ones.

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Charging more than 10 to 15 cents per bag and thus adopting the “user pays” principle that has proven effective in other areas would help change behaviour, Octeau said. The first time grocery stores started charging for bags back in 2007, their usage dropped by 50 per cent, city officials say.

Marc Robitaille of the Canadian Plastics Industry Association said studies have shown that 77 per cent of plastic bags are reused, primarily as garbage bags and the rest are recycled

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See all that shit, the councils and stores say it gets recycled,  does it fuck they ship it to China or somewhere and it sits in big fuck off mountains blowing all over the show in to the countryside.
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Tantrika said:


was at Subway recently in smalltown Manitoba, they still stuffed orders into plastic bags but they have swapped over to paper straws which is nice
it feels dumb as shit to be pushing a paper straw through a plastic cup lid, but baby steps I suppose

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Tantrika said:


was at Subway recently in smalltown Manitoba, they still stuffed orders into plastic bags but they have swapped over to paper straws which is nice
it feels dumb as shit to be pushing a paper straw through a plastic cup lid, but baby steps I suppose

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Haha yeah token effort at recycling.

McDonald's did that with the paper straws here too but I think it turns out they cant be recycled idk why I cant be annoyed to find a source on it atm lol

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Tantrika said:


was at Subway recently in smalltown Manitoba, they still stuffed orders into plastic bags but they have swapped over to paper straws which is nice
it feels dumb as shit to be pushing a paper straw through a plastic cup lid, but baby steps I suppose

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Haha yeah token effort at recycling.

McDonald's did that with the paper straws here too but I think it turns out they cant be recycled idk why I cant be annoyed to find a source on it atm lol

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to my comprehension, they are not supposed to be recycled
the benefit of paper straws over plastic is that they are made from recycled material to begin with, and are biodegradable

Winnipeg has made use of them at the city zoo for years

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See all that shit, the councils and stores say it gets recycled,  does it fuck they ship it to China or somewhere and it sits in big fuck off mountains blowing all over the show in to the countryside.
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they say it gets recylced, because they send it to the recylcling plant
most recycling plants can't do anything with what they class as "film" plastic, so they proceed to send it to landfill

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bodhisatta said:
Paper straws are such garbage. Hipsters in my city carry their own stainless steel straws everywhere

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See all that shit, the councils and stores say it gets recycled,  does it fuck they ship it to China or somewhere and it sits in big fuck off mountains blowing all over the show in to the countryside.
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they say it gets recylced, because they send it to the recylcling plant
most recycling plants can't do anything with what they class as "film" plastic, so they proceed to send it to landfill

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See the recycling plants though theyre only looking for what they can make money off of like LDPE or whatever and fuck the rest, ship it til china and they can still say they're diverting waste from landfill but in reality it's like fuck it their problem now.

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split_by_nine said:
i dont see the point of using a straw unless you're dining in a restaurant and you dont want your mouth on the glassware. if its spilling the drink you're worried about, dont fill the cup to the brim.

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bodhisatta said:
I ate a few lemons once like you'd eat oranges. Fucked my teeth up for a good week it was miserable

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bodhisatta said:
Operation national sword in 2017 saw china stop accepting something like 17 kinds of solid waste all together. Including a lot of plastics. It did and still is causing a recycling crisis in the states

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yeah
to my comprehension the US actually processes some of your own recyclables tho
Canada basically just seperates out recyclcables, then ships them off

there was a big hubub in the news a few months back with the Philippines being pissed off about a cargo ship of trash that had been sitting there since our previous government was in power

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CosmicFool said:
...who decided this was a good idea

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When it was on the ballot in California a few years ago, I voted for it ....


....but now I kinda regret doing so for several reasons . I feel stores should not be allowed to sell any plastic bags or any single use bags, at all...Only bags that will last at least several years, made from re-cycled material or from a material that will decompose quicker/more cleanly than plastic. When one takes a step back, looking at the big picture that is our planet, plastic bags are fucking retarded.




Since this passed in California, charging 10-cents per bag....Lots of stores have started making their standard plastic grocery bags (for 10 cents) much thicker and more durable compared to before this started to happen in Cali....I'm assuming this has been done thinking that the customer is going to re-use the 10-cent bags they bought, because they are thicker/more durable than before and because the customer actually had to buy the bags, if it's something one spends money on they're more likely to use it again right?


But that's not what's happening at all...So many people are lazy and careless...Lots of folks will pay for the plastic bags at 10 cents a pop and then toss them away or never even attempt to use them again, because they can "afford" it, and with out thought about the whole reason why this bag tax started in the first place. And not only that, but people on EBT/welfare ("cal-fresh in california) do not have to pay for bags, so they get a bunch of new plastic bags each time they go shopping, they don't have to pay for them, this whole thing doesn't affect them in anyway.

Damn near no one thinks about pollution, this doesn't registered in peoples minds as a pollution issue, people are lazy & careless and stuck in their habits in a zombie-like manner, --pay for the groceries--reach for plastic grocery bag...There's rarely the thought, "If I buy this big re-usable bag I won't have to use any plastic bags ever again".

The typical plastic bags at grocery stores are much thicker now though, it feels like they contain two to three times as much plastic/mass than the old bags, and they feel much more durable....So a very small portion of the population has made the switch to purchasing an actual re-usable grocery bag (I'm talking about a large bag that will last years, not the typical plastic grocery bags), and now the plastic grocery bags are thicker containing more plastic than before....

.....I honestly feel this has created and dumped even MORE plastic into the environment, considering how few people have bought a re-usable bag, how thick/durable the 10-cent plastic grocery bags are, and how many people throw away or don't re-use the 10-cent plastic bags. Each 10-cent bag is like two to three of the old plastic bags, and damn near no one re-uses them. Just as many bags are being used only one single time and then thrown away, but now those bags are thicker and contain even more plastic than before.



And on top of all of that...I don't recall off the top of my head and too lazy to look into it right now, but where the fuck is that 10-cents going and who the fuck was lobbying for this in California?.....IIRC that 10-cent cost per bag isn't going into any sort of fund for the environment, pretty sure it is just filling up the pockets of some folks somewhere.

The entire thing is a sham and I really regret voting yes for it.

Stores should not be allowed to sell, or offer for free, any plastic/single use bags at all. It is senseless. Retarded as fuck. I hate everything about this "throw away" culture...it is fucking disgusting, foul, gross nasty shit.





People...All of of ya'll!....Get some re-usable grocery bags...Don't ever use a plastic bag again, certainly don't ever PAY to use a plastic bag again...And if you can afford it, buy some proper re-usable grocery bags for some of your family & friends too.








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bodhisatta said:
Buy a filter for the water. there's lots to chose from

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gopher said:
My question is do the stores get the money or is it like a tax?

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See all that shit, the councils and stores say it gets recycled,  does it fuck they ship it to China or somewhere and it sits in big fuck off mountains blowing all over the show in to the countryside.
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they say it gets recylced, because they send it to the recylcling plant
most recycling plants can't do anything with what they class as "film" plastic, so they proceed to send it to landfill

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