O_Dweeds said:

Saying that no one is smarter or strong willed than your friends is an incredibly un-intelligent thing to state.

No swaying; that's just a fact

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O_Dweeds said:

In this case I believe anyone saying no one is smarter than their friends could look at a lot of things as strange tho

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Pretty sure you are the only one saying/interpreting it that way

musiclover420 said:

I'd argue assuming you and your friends are smarter then generations of people battling addiction is even more naive.

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O_Dweeds said:

He elaborated on how he was close with these people, and that is friends and nephew were people that you won't find smarter and strong willed because they were intelligent and went to college. pretty clear cut to me.

Me and my friends, as stated, don't use heroin... 
I haven't touched it in years, never used a needle, and was in a "unique" position of having raw white for free. I would never use something I could't test for purity/impurities.
After that I switched to the natural plant anytime I used.

Wife and kids now & I haven't used anything other than cannabis and magic in years.

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PreparationH said:

Again, something I never said.  It seems it is you with the reading issues dude...

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PreparationH said:

Please, to anyone reading this,
Everyone I know that tried failed or died.  Seriously, you are not smarter or more strong willed

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musiclover420 said:

O_Dweeds said:

In this case I believe anyone saying no one is smarter than their friends could look at a lot of things as strange tho

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Pretty sure you are the only one saying/interpreting it that way

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PreparationH said:

You are the only one struggling with the interpretation of what I meant, wasting both our times so it'

musiclover420 said:

O_Dweeds said:

In this case I believe anyone saying no one is smarter than their friends could look at a lot of things as strange tho

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Pretty sure you are the only one saying/interpreting it that way

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Yea... you really are the only one that interpreted what I said in this manner, wonder why.

Anyways, be careful out there, the RIP thread is very long these days.

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PreparationH said:

I don't understand how my statement "shows a lack of intelligence" but ok, not gonna try swaying you

If heroin wasn't so bad, 60k people wouldnt have died last year.  Don't end up some dead jackass OP. good luck!

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Bill_Oreilly said:

You know how we psychedelic users claim how we are made of drugs therefore psychedelics don't cause hallucinations? It's like that.

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Can't say I agree with that logic entirely.

I've seen people unwittingly be given huge doses of psychedelics and be lucky to come down safely, in some cases they came down in the hospital or jail. I've known other people who accidentally died or killed themselves while very out of it, I don't blame psychedelics for those situations but it's hard to deny that they are the direct result of potent psychoactive drugs. Hell I knew some people who went and tripped at the coast and had a great time until one of them thought he could fly and jumped off a seaside cliff

What you are talking about applies more to meditation and self induced experiences I'd say, otherwise any substance you take could be drastically altering your brain chemistry for better or worse.

Drugs make people do things they normally never would ever consider, and it's often virtually impossible to imagine some of the crazy mind states people end up in before shit hits the fan.

It seems stupid to put the blame entirely on the substance or person since there can be so many factors, it's rarely black and white like that.

musiclover420 said:

Bill_Oreilly said:

You know how we psychedelic users claim how we are made of drugs therefore psychedelics don't cause hallucinations? It's like that.

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Can't say I agree with that logic entirely.

I've seen people unwittingly be given huge doses of psychedelics and be lucky to come down safely, in some cases they came down in the hospital or jail. I've known other people who accidentally died or killed themselves while very out of it, I don't blame psychedelics for those situations but it's hard to deny that they are the direct result of potent psychoactive drugs. Hell I knew some people who went and tripped at the coast and had a great time until one of them thought he could fly and jumped off a seaside cliff

What you are talking about applies more to meditation and self induced experiences I'd say, otherwise any substance you take could be drastically altering your brain chemistry for better or worse.

Drugs make people do things they normally never would ever consider, and it's often virtually impossible to imagine some of the crazy mind states people end up in before shit hits the fan.

It seems stupid to put the blame entirely on the substance or person since there can be so many factors, it's rarely black and white like that.

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Jokeshopbeard said:

Lophosaurus said:

The person makes those decisions and they are in power, not the marketing or psychology. These people are not helpless. They are bad decision makers and that is it. Not powerless victims.

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Jokeshopbeard said:

Of course the people that do it are at fault as well. No one is denying that but you. And that's the problem. You're trying to make the whole issue black and white, when it's anything but.

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Still absolutely refusing to see the situation from any perspective other than your own I see...

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Jennyy said:

withdrawal from heroin causes stomach pains and it was a constant battery, but you know you have to lose something sooner or later when you keep getting high

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