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Re: Coca growers [Re: jellyfish]
    #26106334 - 07/13/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I don't understand, mrmazdx... coir is quite retentive of water isn't it?

As for me, i have one seedling that dropped a few leaves and i think is stressed... but the other one is turning around it seems :smile:

at least to me that big healthy leaf says enthousiasm haha



I do see some chlorosis in older leaves but idk, maybe the roots are trying to catch up. Haven't checked the pH yet but i can't imagine it would be far out of whack. Its ok to test the pH of "runoff" from the soil? As minimal volume of water as possible coming out of the soil?

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #26106363 - 07/13/19 04:56 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Its drains off once reaches field capacity.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #26115136 - 07/17/19 10:02 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #26140596 - 08/17/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

How about the rooting of cuttings? How hard is it / whats the bigger challenge there?.. tricks known?

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Solipsis]
    #26141382 - 08/18/19 12:35 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't understand, mrmazdx... coir is quite retentive of water isn't it?

As for me, i have one seedling that dropped a few leaves and i think is stressed... but the other one is turning around it seems :smile:

at least to me that big healthy leaf says enthousiasm haha



I do see some chlorosis in older leaves but idk, maybe the roots are trying to catch up. Haven't checked the pH yet but i can't imagine it would be far out of whack. Its ok to test the pH of "runoff" from the soil? As minimal volume of water as possible coming out of the soil?





I think I read a while back that you can buy coca leafs in some dutch smartshops?
fully natural ones with all alkaloids.

or did they rule that out?

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Re: Coca growers [Re: NaturalVida]
    #26141510 - 08/18/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Coir is prized for it's hydro like draining abilities.  That is why people add perlite, so the can retain a little more water and nutrients.  Bad thing I don't enjoy about coir is it breaks down.

There used to be a site that sold coca seedlings in a tube.  I'd have to be mighty rich to have a all inclusive garden.  The value of having plants only gets higher when illegal and/or rare.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26141515 - 08/18/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yes i know that site very well thats the guy i get mine from in holland.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: NaturalVida]
    #26141516 - 08/18/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't understand, mrmazdx... coir is quite retentive of water isn't it?

As for me, i have one seedling that dropped a few leaves and i think is stressed... but the other one is turning around it seems :smile:

at least to me that big healthy leaf says enthousiasm haha



I do see some chlorosis in older leaves but idk, maybe the roots are trying to catch up. Haven't checked the pH yet but i can't imagine it would be far out of whack. Its ok to test the pH of "runoff" from the soil? As minimal volume of water as possible coming out of the soil?





I think I read a while back that you can buy coca leafs in some dutch smartshops?
fully natural ones with all alkaloids.

or did they rule that out?



I get mine from ireland full alkaloid spectrum


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #26141528 - 08/18/19 01:47 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Shame home cultivation is illegal and charged as manufacturing cocaine and as 100% pure cocaine in plant form.  When leaf is just trace cocaine and nothing lime extract.

It takes a lot of leaf to make extracting amount to anything.  Not even profitable Under lights.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26141621 - 08/18/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Below is a picture of the E. novogranatense I posted around five weeks ago, and one I took just now. It's planted in sowing and cutting soil with added commercial mixture of cow and chicken manure. It's about one year old and it's flowering profusely on multiple branches.

 

It's growing a lot faster in comparison with my older Erythroxylum spp. plants. The older plants are all growing in acidic soil which contains a lot of peat moss. Even though I have watered the older plants a couple of times with vermicompost tea, they don't seem to grow all that well and are still exhibiting chlorotic leaves. A month or so ago I repotted one of the older E. coca plants into the sowing and cutting soil with manure to see if it would do better. Erythroxylum spp. plants take a long time to adapt to changing environments in my experience, but this E. coca does seem to be doing better.

If the experimental plant shows definite improvements in a couple of weeks, I will repot all of my Erythroxylum spp. plants into this mixture. I have never seen this speed of growth on these plants, so presumably I've been growing them in the wrong type of soil for years..

I have also bought E. coca seeds in a tube from a Dutch vendor a couple of years ago. The vendor doesn't seem to exist anymore though, but their seeds were ridiculously expensive anyway.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26141688 - 08/18/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I would pot up and water less.  Looks like a bit too much N, water and too little mag.  Coca also loves calcium.  Calcium rich soil, volcanic rock dust and a microbe rich enviornment.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26142643 - 08/19/19 10:21 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Shame home cultivation is illegal and charged as manufacturing cocaine and as 100% pure cocaine in plant form.  When leaf is just trace cocaine and nothing lime extract.

It takes a lot of leaf to make extracting amount to anything.  Not even profitable Under lights.



Yep but you can save the leaves in the freezer till you get enough together for a big pull makes it slightly more worthwhile then.
Yes the risk of having such a plant is a little bit not worth it, especially when you think one plant even a big plant wont get you as high as a couple lines but will land you in a lot of trouble if the police know what they are looking at.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #26142715 - 08/19/19 11:15 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Cocaine and coca aren't that interesting to me.  Good coke is fairly short lived.  Coca tea is a bit off too me.  Still a novelty.  Never chewed a leaf yet that is the best method for kratom.  A lot less abuse potential.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26142718 - 08/19/19 11:17 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

The only one of my seeds that germinated died because of an unusually dry day while shroomery was down. :frown:

Edited by jellyfish (08/19/19 11:18 AM)

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Re: Coca growers [Re: jellyfish]
    #26142962 - 08/19/19 02:17 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Cocaine and coca aren't that interesting to me.  Good coke is fairly short lived.  Coca tea is a bit off too me.  Still a novelty.  Never chewed a leaf yet that is the best method for kratom.  A lot less abuse potential.



Im not a cocaine user or interested in the stuff, chewing the leaves isnt bad but doesnt do all that much. The tea is ok like a green tea with a little more kick.
It is mostly for the novelty of it.
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The only one of my seeds that germinated died because of an unusually dry day while shroomery was down. :frown:



That sucks man, if at first you dont succeed.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26147901 - 08/22/19 12:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Below is a picture of the E. novogranatense I posted around five weeks ago, and one I took just now. It's planted in sowing and cutting soil with added commercial mixture of cow and chicken manure. It's about one year old and it's flowering profusely on multiple branches.

 

It's growing a lot faster in comparison with my older Erythroxylum spp. plants. The older plants are all growing in acidic soil which contains a lot of peat moss. Even though I have watered the older plants a couple of times with vermicompost tea, they don't seem to grow all that well and are still exhibiting chlorotic leaves. A month or so ago I repotted one of the older E. coca plants into the sowing and cutting soil with manure to see if it would do better. Erythroxylum spp. plants take a long time to adapt to changing environments in my experience, but this E. coca does seem to be doing better.

If the experimental plant shows definite improvements in a couple of weeks, I will repot all of my Erythroxylum spp. plants into this mixture. I have never seen this speed of growth on these plants, so presumably I've been growing them in the wrong type of soil for years.




How much of the cow/chicken manure did you add?
I would like to try it too but i newer used chicken manure before.
They say it´s strong stuff, and my god, the bad smell is strong too to say the least.
I remember my mother used to spread it in the garden and the smell was so bad i didnt go out there for several days.


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Mateo]
    #26182157 - 09/11/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yesterday, I repotted all of my Erythroxylum spp. plants. I wanted to give them a similar soil mixture as the E. novogranatense I posted about a while ago. I was reading the information on the bag and realized this soil is probably quite ideal for Erythroxylum plants. It's an organic soil containing lava, lava powder and perlite, ensuring a good drainage and an airy substrate. It contains an organic fertilizer on the basis of calcium and magnesium. The pH of the soil is around 5 to 6,5.

I also added three heaping tablespoons of the cow and chicken manure mixture. The bag doesn't specify the ratio of chicken to cow manure though, but it does mention there's no risk of burning the plants. So I assume it's been well leached or composted. I sometimes give indoor plants a topdressing with the manure so it doesn't smell that bad.

Lastly I added a heaping teaspoon of an organic-mineral fertilizer, suitable for acid-loving plants. These granules are slow release and contain 0,8% iron. I gave my plants a top dressing with these granules a while ago, which slowly began to remedy the chlorotic leaves.

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Re: Coca growers [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26182266 - 09/11/19 05:20 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like good stuff


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Re: Coca growers [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #26183706 - 09/12/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Here's a picture of the ± one year old E. novogranatense. The plant looks more pale in the picture than it truly is. I'm not a professional photographer though, so my standard setting is 'auto' mode.. :biggrin:


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Re: Coca growers [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26183738 - 09/12/19 10:13 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Dude has picked when ordered coca seeds on ebay atm. very tempting but Hawaii n customs......


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