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 Cristianosolo
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 True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? 
#26141222 - 08/18/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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As the title say , is it true that eating 1 gram of dry caps i can have a stronger experience that eating a gram of dry caps and stems?
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: Cristianosolo]
#26141240 - 08/18/19 11:12 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is always fun to experiment. 
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: Cristianosolo] 3
#26141267 - 08/18/19 11:26 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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No it's a myth. The alkaloids are spread evenly through the whole fruit.
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#26141348 - 08/18/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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"shrooms are for your head and stems are for your body."
What if the caps actually may be stronger?
I am certain 2 grams of caps will getcha going way faster and will be a lot more provoking...
Rather than 2 grams of stems of the same batch.
Edited by heatlessbbq (08/18/19 12:17 PM)
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: heatlessbbq] 1
#26141397 - 08/18/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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The consensus hangs around the notion that only scientific equipment can tell enough difference to care. 
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: heatlessbbq] 2
#26141442 - 08/18/19 01:07 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said:
No it's a myth. The alkaloids are spread evenly through the whole fruit.
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^this
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heatlessbbq said:
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"shrooms are for your head and stems are for your body."
What if the caps actually may be stronger?
I am certain 2 grams of caps will getcha going way faster and will be a lot more provoking...
Rather than 2 grams of stems of the same batch.
"shrooms are for your head and stems are for your body."... That's one of the most silly things I've ever heard, I heard that stuff years ago when I first started to get into psychedelics and it never made sense to me then, and it still doesn't, there is nothing to back up the idea that stems give a body high and caps give a head high/visuals...That makes no sense at all.
There is no difference between the alkaloids in the stem and the alkaloids in the cap.
They both contain the same active components, so there is no way for stems to only give a "body high" and for caps to give a "head high".
Some analysis shows that caps can sometimes contain slightly more, but it is an incredibly minuscule difference. Eating 3g of stems won't be any different than eating 3g of caps.
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The consensus hangs around the notion that only scientific equipment can tell enough difference to care.
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: Cristianosolo] 1
#26141578 - 08/18/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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With psilocybe cubensis, the caps have been shown to contain more psilocybin than the stems, albeit in varying amounts.
Below is a table created from data gathered in the study Morphological and chemical analysis of magic mushrooms in Japan, which shows an average 30% difference in caps vs stems. It appears some samples used were quite different (possibly degraded) and affected the results, yet is still an interesting study which shows that from the samples used, over a 3.5g dose of cubensis, the amount of psilocybin in the caps vs stems differed by a minimum of 2.8mg and maximum of 28mg, averaging at 10mg. A 1g dose would've been 0.8mg, 8mg and 2.9mg respectively. The study to me shows that if you want consistent doses, it's probably best to use the whole fruit body rather than separate the stems and caps.
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Occurrence and use of hallucinogenic mushrooms containing psilocybin alkaloids
The part of the mushroom that has been analysed may also influence the level of psilocybin and related compound detected. Wurst et al. (1984) reported that caps contain more psilocybin than stems. Similar findings have been reported by Beug and Bigwood (1982)*, Gartz (1987a, 1987b), Keller et al. (1998), Gartz and Müller (1989), and Gurevich (1993). Even lower levels are found in the mycelium (Gartz, 1986b; Kysilka and Wurst, 1989; Keller et al., 1998). Other investigators have found marginal difference in psilocybin- and psilocin-content in the hat and the stipe for some mushroom species (Tsujikawa et al., 2003).
*In the 'Beug and Bigwood, (1982)' study, the caps of psilocybe semilanceata (liberty caps) were measured to be around 44% stronger.
These are the two mushrooms I've personally used and researched the most, so I'm not sure if this applies to other psilocybes.
Edited by Karuna (08/18/19 02:39 PM)
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: Karuna]
#26141963 - 08/18/19 07:00 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are some great statistics and resources, thank you for sharing/posting that!
It's true that the caps contain marginally more, but the stems still contain plenty, and in larger fruits the stems often weigh more than the caps. It's silly to eat only the caps when the stems contain plenty too. A lot of people think they should just eat the caps and that the stems are worthless, unfortunately.
The amount of psilocybin varies dramatically from fruit to fruit. The large swing of potency in that graph looks normal. Potency 10x higher than average happens in about 1 in 100 isolates.
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
#26142018 - 08/18/19 07:56 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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R.I.P.Zappa said:
The consensus hangs around the notion that only scientific equipment can tell enough difference to care.
Such regard to the human intellect and psyche.
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: heatlessbbq]
#26143933 - 08/20/19 05:34 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank , very interesting
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: Cristianosolo]
#26143938 - 08/20/19 05:38 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I remember when I was under the impression that caps had more activities than the stems.
I eat it all. Never fails me lol.
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Re: True or false that cubes cap has more psilocibine than the stem? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
#26145287 - 08/20/19 07:14 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I tried the experiment for myself years ago. I couldn't tell the difference.
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