BeefSupremeJr said:

really doesnt crack? i make my lids and stuff that way but i always melt my tub holes.

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vazap said:

Hey Pasty, thanks for spreading your knowledge, as soon as I joined up people pointed me to your EZ dial tek. It's everywhere, I even listened to your interview on YT. I've learned a lot, and for my next project I'm going to convert my current clumsy monotub (56L) and a smaller unmod I tried to EZ dials.

Just wanted to check on a few points if that's ok.. before I dive in.

I'm thinking of covering up the large holes (pretty randomly placed I now realise!) of my monotub from the inside and outside with gorilla tape, does that sound ok to you?

I've been using a temp and humidity probe in my mono, initially triggering a heat mat and humidifier. Yeah, I know, I was naive, ditched the humidifier a while ago. But temperature in and out of my flat fluctuates a lot, so I'm thinking I might keep using the automated heat mat in one of my tubs, as a test sample. Is that a heresy? It's also very dry without much air movement in my flat (live next to a huge park so I can't open the doors too much), so I'm a bit nervous about dryness, maybe I should reduce holes a little?

And last.. my 56L and the 66quart tub I'm going to buy (to reproduce your setup precisely) are pretty big, that's a lot of substrate/grain.. I'm thinking I could maybe distribute in 2 liners instead of one, avoid putting all my eggs in the same basket. Again, heresy? Do I have to cover the whole surface of the tubs or is it ok to have a slightly smaller liner in the middle. I'm thinking if the sub height matches the lower vents it should still benefit from that humid air flow?

Hope you or someone else will pick this up, it's a mouthful, but I couldn't find answers to these questions, though I tried! Thanks again

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Way said:

Only responding because of your last part since this is Pasty's thread. I'll chime in.

Covering your holes with tape is fine. Just keep an eye out for the tape getting nasty or starting to mold.

A heat mat is always unnecessary in my opinion. If you can keep the room comfortable enough for you to be in it without a jacket, your tubs will be fine.

If you worry about going too dry on your first run, you can always start with some micropore covering some or all of the holes. Open it up as time goes on and you feel more comfortable with your conditions. You should be fine with the default configuration though. I don't suggest adding the extra hole.

If you want to not put all your eggs in one basket, split the spawn between tubs. Don't mess around with this multi-liner thing in one tub. It's not going to work out how you expect and is a bad idea in my opinion.

You don't need to use a 66qt. Plenty of people use smaller tubs with EZ dial. Myself included. I use 20qts with the default hole setup with perfect results.

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Man... once again you come to the rescue. I really appreciate!

You've answered pretty much all my questions, I feel a lot better about diving in now.

I'm gonna ditch the heat mat, nice to simplify as time goes on, just going to keep the probe in one of my tubs to monitor and learn about fluctuations, once I feel more confident pretty sure I'll ditch it all. Keep it for an incubator or something..

I'm relieved I can go smaller, dunno why I started so big, 20Q makes a lot more sense. The only remaining question I have is what to do wtih that big tub Ive been using (56L). Is it ok to use a smaller liner (about 1/3 of its surface) in the middle? Until now I've been doing this but tucked to one side, and I feel like the large empty air volume to one side isn't helping keep good surface conditions. I use a thick lining that's rigid enough to keep its shape. Or should I recycle it to something else (once again, maybe an incubator)?

For my smaller tubs I'll use the thin stuff that shrinks with the sub.

Thanks again dude.

vazap said:

Way said:

Only responding because of your last part since this is Pasty's thread. I'll chime in.

Covering your holes with tape is fine. Just keep an eye out for the tape getting nasty or starting to mold.

A heat mat is always unnecessary in my opinion. If you can keep the room comfortable enough for you to be in it without a jacket, your tubs will be fine.

If you worry about going too dry on your first run, you can always start with some micropore covering some or all of the holes. Open it up as time goes on and you feel more comfortable with your conditions. You should be fine with the default configuration though. I don't suggest adding the extra hole.

If you want to not put all your eggs in one basket, split the spawn between tubs. Don't mess around with this multi-liner thing in one tub. It's not going to work out how you expect and is a bad idea in my opinion.

You don't need to use a 66qt. Plenty of people use smaller tubs with EZ dial. Myself included. I use 20qts with the default hole setup with perfect results.

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Man... once again you come to the rescue. I really appreciate!

You've answered pretty much all my questions, I feel a lot better about diving in now.

I'm gonna ditch the heat mat, nice to simplify as time goes on, just going to keep the probe in one of my tubs to monitor and learn about fluctuations, once I feel more confident pretty sure I'll ditch it all. Keep it for an incubator or something..

I'm relieved I can go smaller, dunno why I started so big, 20Q makes a lot more sense. The only remaining question I have is what to do wtih that big tub Ive been using (56L). Is it ok to use a smaller liner (about 1/3 of its surface) in the middle? Until now I've been doing this but tucked to one side, and I feel like the large empty air volume to one side isn't helping keep good surface conditions. I use a thick lining that's rigid enough to keep its shape. Or should I recycle it to something else (once again, maybe an incubator)?

For my smaller tubs I'll use the thin stuff that shrinks with the sub.

Thanks again dude.

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Way said:

You're spot on thinking that the large empty air volume isn't helping anything. That can make it harder for you to keep your humidity up in the tub with such a small substrate.

If you want to put smaller grows in there, you could put shoeboxes in the bigger tub. A lot of people will run shoeboxes inside of EZ Dial tubs. That allows them to completely remove the lid of the shoebox when pinning starts and they need to have more room for fruiting, while also keeping a reasonable microclimate.

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Awesome, on it, thanks a bunch amigo

Way said:

vazap said:

Way said:

Only responding because of your last part since this is Pasty's thread. I'll chime in.

Covering your holes with tape is fine. Just keep an eye out for the tape getting nasty or starting to mold.

A heat mat is always unnecessary in my opinion. If you can keep the room comfortable enough for you to be in it without a jacket, your tubs will be fine.

If you worry about going too dry on your first run, you can always start with some micropore covering some or all of the holes. Open it up as time goes on and you feel more comfortable with your conditions. You should be fine with the default configuration though. I don't suggest adding the extra hole.

If you want to not put all your eggs in one basket, split the spawn between tubs. Don't mess around with this multi-liner thing in one tub. It's not going to work out how you expect and is a bad idea in my opinion.

You don't need to use a 66qt. Plenty of people use smaller tubs with EZ dial. Myself included. I use 20qts with the default hole setup with perfect results.

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Man... once again you come to the rescue. I really appreciate!

You've answered pretty much all my questions, I feel a lot better about diving in now.

I'm gonna ditch the heat mat, nice to simplify as time goes on, just going to keep the probe in one of my tubs to monitor and learn about fluctuations, once I feel more confident pretty sure I'll ditch it all. Keep it for an incubator or something..

I'm relieved I can go smaller, dunno why I started so big, 20Q makes a lot more sense. The only remaining question I have is what to do wtih that big tub Ive been using (56L). Is it ok to use a smaller liner (about 1/3 of its surface) in the middle? Until now I've been doing this but tucked to one side, and I feel like the large empty air volume to one side isn't helping keep good surface conditions. I use a thick lining that's rigid enough to keep its shape. Or should I recycle it to something else (once again, maybe an incubator)?

For my smaller tubs I'll use the thin stuff that shrinks with the sub.

Thanks again dude.

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You're spot on thinking that the large empty air volume isn't helping anything. That can make it harder for you to keep your humidity up in the tub with such a small substrate.

If you want to put smaller grows in there, you could put shoeboxes in the bigger tub. A lot of people will run shoeboxes inside of EZ Dial tubs. That allows them to completely remove the lid of the shoebox when pinning starts and they need to have more room for fruiting, while also keeping a reasonable microclimate.

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Hey man, so the day has come, I'm about to drill those shotgun holes in my converted 56l tub

I can snuggly fit 3 5l (= 5q) shoeboxes in there, found the perfect fit. One quick question, you mention when people use shoeboxes in their large EZ dial they cover for colonisation and remove lid (from shoeboxes) for fruiting. Is this to preserve humidity during colo from drying out from the large volume of air above? Or is it ok to remove the lid altogether from the start?

I'm thinking of trying both, one uncovered, 2 covered, to see if there's any difference. Curious what's your take on this.

I'll also convert my smaller tub (25l), when you say you keep default configuration for smaller EZ dials, I'm guessing keeping distances proportional for the sides holes, and height the same? Also same drill size of 1/4"?

As for my many other 5l shoeboxes, 1l food containers, and all kinds of tiny food containers to play with, I'll generally go for a dub tub approach, also with shotgun holes, maybe with a smaller drill bit and less holes. Does that sound legit?

NothingsChanged said:

Seems some folks like to take the”EZ” out of  your instructions PW.
Hope your well Friend? Been thinking of you!

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I get how it might look like I'm veering away from the initial purpose and over thinking it.. cause I probably am! Thanks for pointing it out. Didn't mean to offend anyone by not adhering to the rules.

Being a newb, I feel nervous about making one huge cake, had 3 quarts ready to go so chose to go for shoeboxes to contain things a little. In a hopefully near future I do intend to do things properly, just not ready yet.

As a result I guess I have less material than the original recipe requires, hence less humidity in the system. I'm also a little lower than the 2" prescribed from the lower holes, I have those shoebox lips that might interfere with air flow, and all that extra plastic surface for water to condensate on.

As a result - and I'm probably being paranoid.. I'm a little nervous my cakes might dry out. That's why I asked. But I'd love to be re assured by experienced people and leave those lids off from the start, if that's the right thing to do! And maybe tape up holes?

A pic might help actually, that's what the setup looks like with lids off.. thanks all!

vazap said:

NothingsChanged said:

Seems some folks like to take the”EZ” out of  your instructions PW.
Hope your well Friend? Been thinking of you!

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I get how it might look like I'm veering away from the initial purpose and over thinking it.. cause I probably am! Thanks for pointing it out. Didn't mean to offend anyone by not adhering to the rules.

Being a newb, I feel nervous about making one huge cake, had 3 quarts ready to go so chose to go for shoeboxes to contain things a little. In a hopefully near future I do intend to do things properly, just not ready yet.

As a result I guess I have less material than the original recipe requires, hence less humidity in the system. I'm also a little lower than the 2" prescribed from the lower holes, I have those shoebox lips that might interfere with air flow, and all that extra plastic surface for water to condensate on.

As a result - and I'm probably being paranoid.. I'm a little nervous my cakes might dry out. That's why I asked. But I'd love to be re assured by experienced people and leave those lids off from the start, if that's the right thing to do! And maybe tape up holes?

A pic might help actually, that's what the setup looks like with lids off.. thanks all!

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I do similar brother.
I leave the lids on for colonizing,
once they start pinning i remove.
Be careful with air exchange.
You have to tweak to your environment,
maybe a standard "EZ" would let your sub run dry.
Pasty always pointed out
that there´s no one for all solution.
Have a read here,
for this you wanna tweak.
Maybe also read this

Good luck

 

NothingsChanged said:

Seems some folks like to take the”EZ” out of  your instructions PW.
Hope your well Friend? Been thinking of you!

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vazap said:

NothingsChanged said:

Seems some folks like to take the”EZ” out of  your instructions PW.
Hope your well Friend? Been thinking of you!

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I get how it might look like I'm veering away from the initial purpose and over thinking it.. cause I probably am! Thanks for pointing it out. Didn't mean to offend anyone by not adhering to the rules.

Being a newb, I feel nervous about making one huge cake, had 3 quarts ready to go so chose to go for shoeboxes to contain things a little. In a hopefully near future I do intend to do things properly, just not ready yet.

As a result I guess I have less material than the original recipe requires, hence less humidity in the system. I'm also a little lower than the 2" prescribed from the lower holes, I have those shoebox lips that might interfere with air flow, and all that extra plastic surface for water to condensate on.

As a result - and I'm probably being paranoid.. I'm a little nervous my cakes might dry out. That's why I asked. But I'd love to be re assured by experienced people and leave those lids off from the start, if that's the right thing to do! And maybe tape up holes?

A pic might help actually, that's what the setup looks like with lids off.. thanks all!

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Goatrider said:

I do similar brother.
I leave the lids on for colonizing,
once they start pinning i remove.
Be careful with air exchange.
You have to tweak to your environment,
maybe a standard "EZ" would let your sub run dry.
Pasty always pointed out
that there´s no one for all solution.
Have a read here,
for this you wanna tweak.
Maybe also read this

Good luck

 

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Thanks Goatrider, really appreciate your help, I hadn't seen the second thread on shoebox tek, I'll check that out.
The one on Proper surface conditions is an eye opener

I'll keep on going with lids off and all holes taped for now as my walls seem to be condensating ok, will give it another day, if it seems to dry out I'll lid back on. And will adapt when fruiting by taping up holes as needed.

All the best dude, thanks again and happy growing

Pastywhyte said:

Your thoughts are kinda on point, the original tek was meant for a minimum volume of media to provide sufficient humidity, and shoebox cut into that. So I'm not against what you did to compensate persay. But for myself if I was to do shoeboxes in this style I would have drilled fewer holes. Maybe only 2 on the long sides and leave out the optional holes. But if I planned to only do small size grows I would forget the shoeboxes altogether and make mini monos in the Ezdial style.

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Hey Pasty, glad to hear from the mastermind behind this tek and that I'm not totally screwing things up
I do plan to grow full tubs once I've built up the confidence, and as laid back and hands off as possible This is a temporary usage of your classic setup, so it'll be there when I'm ready!

In the meantime I'll adapt, tape up holes, get a feel for it.. and try smaller EZ dials.

Thanks a bunch for sharing your knowledge man!