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 Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? 
#26133857 - 08/13/19 02:04 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi, I am new to Pan Cyans, and excited to explore the spirit of this amazing fungi, mainly for microdosing, but also the occasional deeper exploration. Thanks to Asura for prints & MacMerdin for his tek.
So I was pondering, since cyans are high in psilocin which is what makes them wonderful, but doesn't dry well, I was contemplating ways to preserve the magic. Here is a solution that I imagined, and would love to hear the opinions of others about the merits of these ideas, or to learn from those more experienced about other tricks.
So from my first harvest (coming soon) I plan to do this:
Take the wet mushrooms, weigh them, then drop them in a jar. Pour over them with lemon juice (mainly for the antioxidant properties), then add enough measured liquid honey to a point where one teaspoon would be a microdose. Then take the jar and leave it in the freezer for a couple of days, then remove. Then swirl jar daily for a month to infuse the honey. Then strain honey clear (ish).
My understanding is that freezing wet mushrooms breaks down the cell walls, and upon thawing they become blue mush. The blue is of course oxidation, thus the lemon juice should prevent that, and add a bit of liquid to make the honey a tad more runny. Thus the freeze & thaw would release the insides of the mushrooms to allow the honey to make a better infusion, and again the lemon would preserve the psilocin from degrading.
Please comment about what you think of this "tek". Thank you in advance for any replies of a constructive nature for or against this proposed tek.
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: 1WithU]
#26133863 - 08/13/19 02:07 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting. Saving thread so I can read responses later.
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: 1WithU]
#26133868 - 08/13/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I could see that working, but honestly I think it seems easier to make tea from fresh pans and then just freeze the tea, but I bet you could probably be okay either way as the logic behind the honey and lemon makes sense, not sure if the extra water content would throw off honeys natural preservative property though
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26133915 - 08/13/19 02:45 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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DnDRnD said:
I could see that working, but honestly I think it seems easier to make tea from fresh pans and then just freeze the tea, but I bet you could probably be okay either way as the logic behind the honey and lemon makes sense, not sure if the extra water content would throw off honeys natural preservative property though
A questions @ ya...
?> Could you please share how you make tea from freshies then freeze doses? Does this preserve the goodness that would otherwise be lost in drying? Thanks.
Thoughts> Hmmm... water content. Thinking 1 gram of fresh fruits to 4 grams honey and 1/2 gram lemon juice. I suspect that the ratio should still work to keep the preservation effects. But perhaps another formula could be 1 gram fresh fruit, 3 grams honey, 1/2 gram lemon juice, and 1 gram granulated sugar to maintain the proper consistency. Or using ascorbic acid crystals instead of lemon.
Maybe another solution could be making the tea you suggested with lemon juice or ascorbic acid crystals, and then strain & add in enough sugar to make a thick simple syrup. Probably a fast & easy tek for convenient dosing with a spoon.
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: 1WithU]
#26133935 - 08/13/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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For making tea with fresh mushrooms you just make it like normal, just remember that 1 gram dry is roughly 10 grams fresh (atleast with cubes) then you can figure out dose based upon volume, say you have 10 grams in 10 ML of water then each Ml equals 1 gram, now 10 grams in 10 ML isn't very realistic (since 10 ml isn't much water)
For the simple syrup id still use honey over regular syrup to make it
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26133950 - 08/13/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya know... Another thought is to dump the fruits in the jar with measured amount of water, ascorbic acid, and freeze the jar to break the cell walls. Then heat to make tea, strain solids, then add sugar and water to make a specific quantity of simple syrup (or with honey as you suggested)
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: 1WithU]
#26133983 - 08/13/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Boiling is hotter than dehydrating... Just saying (also watching this thread)
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: 1WithU]
#26133984 - 08/13/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thinking that I shall make this "Cyan Syrup" as described in the last post, from frozen tea. Ratio about 1g fresh cyan to teaspoon of final syrup.
Will try this out first on some cubes which I have more of to test this concept with first and shall report back. I think this could be an excellent way to preserve the magic of cyans while also making dosing reliable, particularly for microdosing.
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#26134027 - 08/13/19 03:52 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Boiling is hotter than dehydrating... Just saying (also watching this thread)
Is temp why it breaks down? I thought psilocin degraded just due to the prolonged heat if anything
Honestly I'm not convinced heat affects psilocin or psilocybin that much (regarding dehydrator temps and make tea)
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26134042 - 08/13/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ehhhh, I mean... so really I just want access to a scientist and their labs for one goddamn day, and that won't ask questions. The info is all over the place on this and no one can seem to nail down what is actually happening.
Here's me trying to assess someone elses very small experiment if you want to spitball with me: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26132280
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#26134055 - 08/13/19 04:05 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh I commented in there earlier actually hahaha, definitely wanna get a good analysis set up for really testing some if these myths, although bioassay is gonna be the easiest "scientific" route because the cost is astronomical!
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#26134063 - 08/13/19 04:10 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Will check out that link later, busy now.
Oxidation is accelerated by heat, but it is not the heat that breaks it down at those temps, it's oxygen. On that note I guess I shall remember to use pre boiled water in this Tek to drive out the oxygen dissolved within.
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Re: Pan Cyan Freezer Lemon Honey "tek" to preserve potency? [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#26134879 - 08/14/19 06:07 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
ShaperDreaming said:
Here's me trying to assess someone elses very small experiment if you want to spitball with me: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26132280
Ok so I read through your thread there. Perhaps I need more coffee this morning and time to mentally process this. So is this basically to see if heat denatures psilocin at sub 100c temps? Sounds like it alludes to not loosing much. Am I understanding this correctly?
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