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The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. * 1
    #26132481 - 08/12/19 05:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

How would you like to see the psychoactive plants of our planet be "legalized" ?



With Denver and Berkeley/Oakland decriminalizing mushrooms this year (and Berkeley/Oakland went a step farther and actually decriminalized ALL entheogenic plants), more cities/counties/states will follow in the years to come.


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....“no department, agency, board, commission, officer or employee of the city, including without limitation, Berkeley Police Department personnel, shall use any city funds or resources to assist in the enforcement of laws imposing criminal penalties for the use and possession of Entheogenic Plants by adults of at least 21 years of age.”

The resolution defines the covered substances as “plants and natural sources such as mushrooms, cacti, iboga containing plants and/or extracted combinations of plants similar to ayahuasca; and limited to those containing the following types of compounds: indoleamines, tryptamines, phenethylamines.”







In what manner/fashion would you like to see these plants "free" again?

With the recent decriminalization of mushrooms in Denver, now a company is planning on creating a coffee that contains "micro-doses" of psilocybin....

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Denver-based company Sträva Craft Coffee has revealed it has begun developing tea and coffee products infused with microdoses of psilocybin, the psychedelic compound found in magic mushrooms. Following the recent psilocybin decriminalization measure passed in the city of Denver, Sträva believes it could reach the market with psilocybin coffee within two years.

https://newatlas.com/psilocybin-microdose-coffee-tea-strava-denver/60870/?fbclid=IwAR3bF9GJa9JoHOC9TRyj_76BipHlN3PsRjsqSZ8Fm3orWpx6zCwbhoM0GFI 





Cool idea, I get it.....but for some reason this just does not sit well with me. This is not the sort of way I want to see the psychedelic/entheogenic plants being legal & "free" to use.





This is how I'd like to see the psychedelic/entheogenic plants "free" again.......


Any adult 18+ is allowed to grow any psychedelic/entheogenic plant/fungi on one's property/within one's home, as well as forage for (if it's not endangered, such as peyote).

The possession of any of these plants/fungi is allowed outside of one's home.

No person or business is allowed to sell these psychedelic/entheo plants in mature or extracted form, no extracts of these plants is allowed to be sold (such as extracted dmt, mescaline, ibogaine, etc etc).

No "food" or "supplement" products containing any of the active components of these psychedelic/entheo plants are allowed to be sold. (ex: that coffee product with psilocin micro-doses)



What will be allowed........

A business that sales "grow kits", basically a grow supply store for psychedelic/entheo plants. Spores, seeds, and clones/immature plants. Kits that come with everything to start a mushroom grow, including spores. Seeds and seedlings/immature plants, small rooted cactus cuttings, mimosa seedlings, etc etc....Offering everything one needs to start growing their own psyche/entheo plants, but not selling mature plants or any sort of psychoactive material.

A business that offers classes/lessons on how to grow mushrooms and the various psyche/entheo plants. As well as meet ups in regards to approaching/working with these plants, for those that are "new" to such a thing.

A "place/center" that provides a "safe place" for one to trip....offering a super comfortable & safe space for people to trip, rooms that are plush & cozy, a place with absolute silence/solitude, rooms also having good sound system, nice lighting. Almost like a "trippers" hotel, but the place does not sell or provide any psychoactives.

Places that provide psychedelic assisted therapy, and places that hold ceremonies/healing retreats are the only two place/situations that come to my mind where psychoactive material is allowed to be provided.

For folks that are handicapped, elderly, and do not have the ability to grow their own psyche/entheo plants, there will be a "program" of sorts or something in place where they can buy/acquire what they need. Somewhat like how "caregivers" grow medical cannabis for those that need it & can't grow their own....but this "program" will not sell/provide to anyone, only those that prove they don't have the ability to grow their own.




Basically...I want these plants to be free and available to everyone, but I absolutely do not want to see these plants or their active components being sold commercially or in any fashion or being turned into various "products" such as that coffee with micro-doses of psilocin in it.

Allow people to grow their own, allow business to sell grow kits/spores/seeds/immature plants, allow business to give classes/lessons on growing, allow "retreats" & ceremonies....Allow people to freely grow and use these plants how they wish, with out allowing any person/business to sell the mature/extracted/active components of the plants, no commercialization!....This approach would also keep the "legalization of psychedelic plants" out of sight of the public/mainstream, because no business or person would be allowed to sell the plants in mature or extracted form.




Just some ramblings that have been on my mind, those are some of the key points of how I'd like to see these psychedelic/entheogenic plants being free and available to the people.

....and I extend this beyond just the psychedelic/entheogenic plants, this is how I feel it should be in regards to all psychoactive plants. From poppies to khat, from coca to kratom, all of them, this is the basic sort of "framework" of how I feel all psychoactive plants should be free again.....Free to grow, free to posses, free to consume...but no commercialization, no business or person can sell them in mature/extracted form.....

....in this thread/post, though, I am specifically talking about psychedelic/entheogenic plants.





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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: openmind]
    #26132503 - 08/12/19 06:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yep I hear ya. The cultivation provides a good indication of discipline for the psychedelic experience.

They've only been illegal about 15 years in this country. The final nail was some guy falling off a balcony to his death after taking them. He had a cocktail of drugs in his system. Didn't see them making alcohol illegal after this but that's a different discussion.

I had always thought that it was far too easy for people like that just wanting to get fucked up to get their hands on mushrooms. In a way it was necessary. It's finding the right balance. They weren't always consumed by everyone in society or the tribe. They were always the reserve of the outliers etc. So it never fully bothered me that they were illegal. I could still grow them and partake of them and in a way the secrecy required almost adds another layer of respect and reverence.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: thisbliss]
    #26132506 - 08/12/19 06:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I think decriminalization of personal amounts would be right

just enough so someone doesn't get in trouble if it's found on their property


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: Konyap]
    #26132516 - 08/12/19 06:23 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Sure shouldn't be felonies.  Manufacturing drugs (cultivation) is 8 years in Ohio, plus bulk weight and additional charge stacking.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: thisbliss]
    #26132519 - 08/12/19 06:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Yep I hear ya. The cultivation provides a good indication of discipline for the psychedelic experience.

They've only been illegal about 15 years in this country. The final nail was some guy falling off a balcony to his death after taking them. He had a cocktail of drugs in his system. Didn't see them making alcohol illegal after this but that's a different discussion.

I had always thought that it was far too easy for people like that just wanting to get fucked up to get their hands on mushrooms....






Totally.

That's another aspect of why I don't want to see psychedelic/entheo plants being openly sold in mature or extracted form.

The way I'm talking about...for those truly interested in the experience, if they are that curious and interested then they can go and buy a grow kit and grow their own.

This would prevent folks from just randomly walking into a store and buying & consuming mushrooms on a whim. This way it would take some dedication and discipline and time before one gets to consume.

They would be "legal", but not necessarily easily accessible to the public.




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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: Konyap]
    #26132527 - 08/12/19 06:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Konyap said:
I think decriminalization of personal amounts would be right

just enough so someone doesn't get in trouble if it's found on their property






Yea...

The approach I'm talking about is kinda how the "decriminalization" is in Berkeley/Oakland.

I guess putting my original post into a nutshell....Basically just keeping folks from getting in trouble with the law, allow people to grow and consume and posses, but not allowing the plants in mature/extracted form to be sold. I'm happy with that.




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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: openmind]
    #26132556 - 08/12/19 06:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

That's similar to the situation in Canada with peyote. Mescaline is illegal here except when it occurs in peyote. So you can grow it, eat it etc with no restrictions at all, you just can't make or possess extracts because those contain mescaline and aren't peyote.

Meanwhile with weed things are so locked down that your province even gets to decide what seeds you can buy. In Ontario there are literally just two strains you can legally buy seeds of. And a couple provinces banned home growing altogether.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: openmind]
    #26132567 - 08/12/19 06:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

You make some good points and make me reconsider my position, but I've always been in favor of legalizing it in pretty much the same way as pot. I'd never understood why so many people were against it being sold. Although the way your phrase it does make sense, only those willing to put in the effort being able to access is appealing.

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This approach would also keep the "legalization of psychedelic plants" out of sight of the public/mainstream, because no business or person would be allowed to sell the plants in mature or extracted form.


And this point I appreciated too. Although, now that I think about it, the only real reason psychedelics could cause controversy once legalized is those people who end up killing/hurting themselves or others while high. But this will happen in both scenarios, whether legal to be sold or only to be grown-people will hurt themselves, however rare it might be. Of course it would keep it a bit more out of the public eye. Now I'm rambling

Of course in your scenario, plenty of people would still be buying it from growers rather than growing their own, more than they do now. Except the sales wouldn't provide tax revenue this way, which is really my only point. That it might be nice to get the significant tax revenue that would come from it being legal to sell psychoactive material/extracts.

Because its easy to be self sufficient at mushroom cultivation and only need to buy spores, their wouldn't be as much clean money going around if only grow kits were being sold. Also with peyote its not really feasible to grow your own what with how long it takes. But maybe it'd just be legal to buy the rooted cacti. I'm unsure whats involved with ibogaine growing.

Plus, if it were legal to sell we would finally live in a world where you can know for certain that you can trust that the drugs you're buying are trustworthy/not fake. Knowing your dmt was extracted properly so as to be free of chemicals.

Now I'm unsure how I think it should be done, just adding my thoughts.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: Psilosopherr] * 2
    #26132577 - 08/12/19 07:05 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Also with peyote its not really feasible to grow your own what with how long it takes.










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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: psi]
    #26132582 - 08/12/19 07:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Nice garden


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    #26132590 - 08/12/19 07:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Thanks. This was quite some time ago, I haven't done any new grafts for a long time.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26132595 - 08/12/19 07:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yes very nice indeed, how long do they take to mature when grafted like that? I forget.

Obviously people do it, i guess it just seems harder and more involved to me, so long for a payoff.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #26132607 - 08/12/19 07:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I suppose once you get rolling, the payoff becomes exponential with each generation.


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    #26132609 - 08/12/19 07:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Those ones took about a year to reach flowering size. Mostly_Harmless on here did one that was something like six months I think, there's a gif of it floating around somewhere.


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    #26132620 - 08/12/19 07:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Huh, I had no idea it could be that fast. Too bad seeds are illegal here


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    #26132641 - 08/12/19 07:44 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Yeah Trichocereus is probably a better option in the US.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: openmind]
    #26133177 - 08/13/19 04:46 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I'll just copypasta this from a post I made in a similar thread in "what's your ideal drug policy":

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This is just an idea, maybe not even a very good one, but I wanted to throw this out there anyway:

Possession is legal, but you should have to get a licence to use (to buy) certain drugs. This would require classes, maybe a lot of classes, that teach you about the experience and the dangers involved. You'd have to follow rules, use in a safe way, etc. otherwise your licence could be suspended.

Different drugs would have different restrictions depending on their relative danger. MDPV for example would still be completely 100% banned.

For opiates, there would be the most restrictions. The government would be the only supplier. You'd have to abide by a shitton of rules (like not breaking the law, holding down a job, etc.) in order to be able to buy them. You'd have to buy them and use them in a place surrounded by info on how to quit, with as much support for people who want to quit as humanly possible. If you broke a rule (such as by breaking the law) the dose you'd be allowed to buy would be cut in half. Breaking another would cut it in half again, and so on. If, on the other hand, you obeyed all the rules, broke no laws, maintained a good job, etc. then your dose could be increased back to its original amount over time with good behavior.

Psychedelics would require a shitton of classes to educate people on how to use them right. They might even require you to use them in controlled environments at first, like at hospital type places run by doctors, or psychologists, that kind of thing. Over time, perhaps you could apply for a licence to use them at your own home; if you jumped through enough hoops, took enough classes, etc. MDMA and MDMA like drugs would probably work the same. Same for dissociatives probably.

For simple stimulants like adderall, ritalin, you should have to take some classes, and the amount you'd be allowed would be closely restricted, monitored, and kept to a medically useful amount. Other stimulants (eg: meth) might not be available for sale. Probably the same for benzos, but with more restrictions, and more help to quit, more classes, etc.

Deliriants and other genuinely bad drugs would not be available for sale.

Still, through all of this possession would be legal, but your drugs might be confiscated if you don't have a licence.




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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: nooneman]
    #26133241 - 08/13/19 06:54 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I cannot grow drugs where I live, legal or not. And I bet the rules are similar for other tenants in my city, so right off the bat 50 percent of the population is excluded. That's not fair. Its also not practical for me to rent a storage unit just to grow drugs either. I don't want to grow shit anyway, I want to walk into a smart shop and buy substances like an adult. The use of psycheledics should not be confined to property owners.

Why does there always have to be some fucking controls added to any drug legalization plan? We don't make tobacco smokers grow their own, we don't force drunks to brew their own booze. My country just went thru pot legalization and its all rules and regulations, and none of them were to make things better for pot heads, the rules are just to make anti drug nuts happy, fuck them.


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Re: The "legalization" of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/fungi. [Re: viraldrome]
    #26133297 - 08/13/19 08:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Fair point. I think this highlights how difficult it is to legalise this stuff. So many varying opinions.

As regards cannabis I think it should be as readily available as tobacco as it's actually safer and as far as getting fucked up you're just going to fall asleep. Sure there's the long term mental argument but I always felt that was a secondary concern after the prohibition crowd could see they were losing the fight.

I still think as regards mushrooms it's too easy for some one to chomp down a load and within an hour have an almighty freak out putting themselves in danger. That's where the idea of a licence as someone else mentioned could be the way. A bit of education goes a long way.

Don't get me wrong I hate the thought of having to appease government in order to get access to this. But that libertarian attitude is all well and good if you're having your freakouts in the wilderness affecting noone. In all reality tho it's gonna happen in urban areas where others have to deal with it - just cos some one didn't know the correct dosage, wasn't experienced enough, didn't have a sitter, mixed with other substances hadn't a plan b for a bad trip etc


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