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OfflineBrian Jones
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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: qman] * 1
    #26126957 - 08/08/19 03:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

It's true. Most gun deaths are suicides, but murders are largely gang related.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26126962 - 08/08/19 03:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

American originated gangs have been in a decline since the 90s.  They passed laws making it illegal, to even be in a gang or identify as a gang member.

I doubt what is sufficient to be called a gang.  So 2 black guys or Hispanics or even whites that call themselves the putang gang getting some curb ass are gang members?  Cause they sold a dime bag of brick weed and have a name like putang gang?

I'm sure some retarded ass prosecutors would love to thinks so.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26126968 - 08/08/19 03:36 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)



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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Herbologist]
    #26127018 - 08/08/19 04:16 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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How would you even reduce the number of guns? 





Me?  Or are you using the global you?  I've never proposed a reduction that I can recall.

While most here probably consider me a 'liberal', I probably own more firearms than any five shroomerites that regularly post in this sub added together.  That said, I have no more than a handful of ammunition for them except .22, 12G, .32 H&R mag, & 7mm-08 Remington.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: relic]
    #26127140 - 08/08/19 05:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I was responding to your post but just meant a general "you" not really anyone in particular


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Herbologist]
    #26127700 - 08/08/19 10:43 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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How would you even reduce the number of guns?  What is circulating the market is already millions of firearms.

Buy backs are absolute shit and most gun owners would not go for that.

Making them illegal would just make millions of people criminals in one swoop and wouldn't do shit.

As soon as drugs are more legal I'm sure cartel will be stoked to supply guns instead if that's the new illegal & highly profitable item.




Dude, the US supplies cartels with guns, why would they sell them back to us?

As I said: +20 years mandatory sentence addition to anyone committing a crime while in possession of a firearm, and potentially while being a gun owner in general. That way, you can be a law abiding gun owner, while cracking down on criminals. I think this would be the best deterrent by far. Especially considering that in the US, it's legitimately difficult to go to the grocery store and buy food without breaking a law.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26127707 - 08/08/19 10:47 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

so 20 additional years in prison for having possession of a firearm even if you commit a non-violent crime? that seems a bit much. i dislike guns but not gun owners.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26127750 - 08/08/19 11:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That's not the point-the point is that's the only type of legislation that will work.

Gun buybacks are, by and large, mostly useless in the US. It would be infeasible to make them legally enforced, because 4th amendment. Even then, most guns aren't going to be used to kill someone, so you'll need to buy back millions of guns to make a dent in the shooting numbers.

Gun control is never going to go far enough, because there are just so many guns. It will take generations, and even then people will be finding grandpa's AR-15 in the attic for centuries to come. Plus, as above, plenty of people know how to use a CNC mill, and plenty of guns can be stamped out for super cheap. Hell, I can make a shotgun with two pieces of pipe, an endcap, and a nail.

Ammo limits are a possibility, but then you're gonna end up with bullet smurfs, just like pseudo meth cooks.

For people to change their behavior, you need an incentive. Adding mandatory years to a sentence is an incentive.

It already exists, actually. At the federal level, possession of a gun while committing a federal crime is +5. Wearing body armor while committing a crime is another +5. Now, if this were expanded to a larger variety of crimes (even if we leave out non-violent misdemeanors), it would have more deterrent effect. As of right now, those laws basically only apply to the kinds of people that own guns illegally anyway, because of the requirements.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26127808 - 08/09/19 12:46 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

yeah that sounds good but i dont think adding years to already lengthy prison sentences will deter any real criminals from committing crimes.. people will rob and murder no matter what the consequence, this is a fact. it has little to do with guns as a whole.

intimidation will never stop crime.

to me, what you suggest is the same as giving a person prison time for running a stop sign because they had a small amount of cannabis in the car.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Enlil]
    #26127928 - 08/09/19 05:02 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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You doubt that the vast majority of gun owners don't engage in gun violence?





Well... not yet.



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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26128019 - 08/09/19 07:41 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Legislation banning guns gets people all warm fuzzy but it will do nothing to curb it. The paper tigers come out and manifest themselves right after a shooting. I get it, its fucked, but thinking background checks or "red flag laws" will stop someone, is asinine. The chances are statistically indistinguishable from zero.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26128349 - 08/09/19 12:30 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Legislation banning guns gets people all warm fuzzy but it will do nothing to curb it. The paper tigers come out and manifest themselves right after a shooting. I get it, its fucked, but thinking background checks or "red flag laws" will stop someone, is asinine. The chances are statistically indistinguishable from zero.



Extended magazines and military assualt rifles are the main vehicle of mass shootings in America now and years before this. We could make laws limiting who NEEDS extended magazine that hold 100 rounds. If u think the “good guy with a gun “ thing is the way to go police responded in 30 seconds and was over in 60 seconds. Still 9 dead and 27 mamed. So do nothing? Shiucks I’m sorry there’s been 251 mass shootings in America to date and we want to have a discussion on regulating magazine clip sizes. I guarentee if a democratic supporter goes on a mass shooting you’ll be all over the issue like white on rice.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 2
    #26128359 - 08/09/19 12:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The whole point of the second amendment was to prevent a government such as the current one from ever forming, and to overthrow it if it came into being.

Now that its voted in power by the gun owners, might as well turn in your guns.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Asante]
    #26128412 - 08/09/19 01:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The original US Government were tyrants as well.  It seems the point of Govt in general is to have a tyrant you can support.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26130651 - 08/11/19 08:13 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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yeah that sounds good but i dont think adding years to already lengthy prison sentences will deter any real criminals from committing crimes.. people will rob and murder no matter what the consequence, this is a fact. it has little to do with guns as a whole.

intimidation will never stop crime.

to me, what you suggest is the same as giving a person prison time for running a stop sign because they had a small amount of cannabis in the car.




No, that's not the point. Mass shootings are here to stay. Accept that. That's not going to change from any law we pass. The only thing that this law will do is deter future gun purchases, hopefully, so that the shootings stop in the next generation or two.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26133172 - 08/13/19 04:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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I heard 26 out of 27 mass shooters had no daddy. Seems like just taking those people's guns away would solve the problem.


Discuss intelligently.




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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: MightyWhite] * 4
    #26134614 - 08/14/19 12:36 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
I heard 26 out of 27 mass shooters had no daddy. Seems like just taking those people's guns away would solve the problem.


Discuss intelligently.




Single mothers are the bane of society





I think you meant absent fathers. Single mothers are actually trying.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: MightyWhite]
    #26134921 - 08/14/19 09:06 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
I heard 26 out of 27 mass shooters had no daddy. Seems like just taking those people's guns away would solve the problem.


Discuss intelligently.




Single mothers are the bane of society



Yeah blame the person who sticks it out raising a child and not the man who bailed on his kid(s)


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Asante]
    #26134926 - 08/14/19 09:07 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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The whole point of the second amendment was to prevent a government such as the current one from ever forming, and to overthrow it if it came into being.




No. Not even close.


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Re: Should we ban guys with no daddy from owning guns? [Re: Asante]
    #26135586 - 08/14/19 03:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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The whole point of the second amendment was to prevent a government such as the current one from ever forming, and to overthrow it if it came into being.

Now that its voted in power by the gun owners, might as well turn in your guns.




They're going to need all those guns when they finally decide they're sick and tired of allowing the other 60% of the country to make any of the decisions.


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