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Re: Bernie [Re: Tonydanzawillpay]
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Tonydanzawillpay said:
morrowasted said:
sanders is the best candidate

pull your heads out of your asses


he's the only dem that will beat trump in the general

he's also the best person for the job



Ill bet that doesnt happen



Any takers or just talkers?


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Re: Bernie [Re: Tonydanzawillpay]
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You have to try harder than that if you want to bait these nerds, tony, this aint WCA.


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Re: Bernie [Re: Near Dylan]
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Trump tricks people into voting for platforms that are economically disadvantageous to them by playing on populist insecurities. Don't let yourself be duped

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Re: Bernie [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
SARAtonin said:
I love Bernie but he hurt me so bad the first time.



Am still a Bernie fangirl
but spent so much of 2015 and 2016 memeing and supporting him
that it has kind of become discouraging

unfortunately, expecting Biden to win the Democratic Primary
not because he is the most popular or most qualified
but because the DNC has various stupid rules in place where some states require people to be registered Democrats to vote in the primary at all
so Bernie has less capacity for a real general-support surge

if he was presenting some new issues or something, it would give me more fun to ramble about
but, instead, Yang is the one parroting messages about my own area of interest (the implications of advancement of AI and robotics)



I would vote for Bernie over Biden. Someone please help me understand how anyone could ever like Kamala Harris! I understand why people like Bernie and trump but kamala! Seriously wtf! You can tell she's pure evil. I hate the way she looks and talks and everything else about her!  Fuck I hate her :lol:! If you want Kamala more than tulsi you're a idiot. She's fucked so many people over in the past and doesn't give a fuck about us. I honestly think tulsi would make a good president because she's actually lived in the real world. Tulsi would be better than Bernie and trump. It blows my mind that she's not doing better! I swear Americans want to be fucked over.


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Re: Bernie [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said:
Tantrika said:
SARAtonin said:
I love Bernie but he hurt me so bad the first time.



Am still a Bernie fangirl
but spent so much of 2015 and 2016 memeing and supporting him
that it has kind of become discouraging

unfortunately, expecting Biden to win the Democratic Primary
not because he is the most popular or most qualified
but because the DNC has various stupid rules in place where some states require people to be registered Democrats to vote in the primary at all
so Bernie has less capacity for a real general-support surge

if he was presenting some new issues or something, it would give me more fun to ramble about
but, instead, Yang is the one parroting messages about my own area of interest (the implications of advancement of AI and robotics)



I would vote for Bernie over Biden. ...



Yeah, and am able to recognize and respect that,
but then take it a bit further and ask if you are a Registered Democrat in case your state bans non-Democrats from voting in the primaries like last time

Bernie definitely has support over Biden in terms of the people that will potentially matter in an electoral battle with Trump
but my concern is that he does not have sufficient support from the crowd that it will be required to win over in order to make it to challenging Trump in the first place

Shenmue said:
...I honestly think tulsi would make a good president because she's actually lived in the real world. Tulsi would be better than Bernie and trump. It blows my mind that she's not doing better! I swear Americans want to be fucked over.
...



Tulsi is pretty great in my limited exposure to her
but find it a bit difficult to believe a Hindu is destined for 2020 Presidential seat
personally hold a lot of respect and appreciation for traditions in Hinduism -- it just strikes me that even as a veteran, she would have trouble garnering support from real staunch religious folk that still make up such a significant proportion of the US population

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Re: Bernie [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
unfortunately, expecting Biden to win the Democratic Primary
not because he is the most popular or most qualified
but because the DNC has various stupid rules in place where some states require people to be registered Democrats to vote in the primary at all
so Bernie has less capacity for a real general-support surge



Pretty much how things work here in Canada too, except that no level of government is directly involved in administering the parties' internal elections for leader in the first place. If you want a say in a party's pick for leader then you join that party. If anything, letting non-members vote on that would be odd IMO.

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Re: Bernie [Re: psi]
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psi said:
Tantrika said:
unfortunately, expecting Biden to win the Democratic Primary
not because he is the most popular or most qualified
but because the DNC has various stupid rules in place where some states require people to be registered Democrats to vote in the primary at all
so Bernie has less capacity for a real general-support surge



Pretty much how things work here in Canada too, except that no level of government is directly involved in administering the parties' internal elections for leader in the first place. If you want a say in a party's pick for leader then you join that party. If anything, letting non-members vote on that would be odd IMO.



To my limited comprehension, the Republicans use an open system in more states than the Democrats; it was part of what Trump took advantage of to gain candidature
while standing Republicans never wanted him there in the first place :zappaisgod:
and also part of why he still gets portrayed as an anti-establishment candidate; even if he has complete kowtowed to the GOP and financial elite now, him coming in was against their wishes

Quote:
In an open state, anyone can vote in either party's primary (but each person can only vote in one, not both); in a closed state, you have a to be a registered Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary or a registered Republican to vote in the Republican primary.



https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-vote-in-the-presidential-primary-elections-2016-1

but, by all means, anyone more informed on this please do correct me

the DNC has open elections in some states, not others -- Hillary's strongest wins over Bernie before getting the seat were in closed states if my recollection is correct
but also recall a number of complaints on imgur from Bernie supporters that they went to the polls for him in the primary, only to be informed they had been purged from the voting list

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Re: Bernie [Re: Tantrika]
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It's always been weird to me how much of a role government has in the US system in what I would think of as internal party affairs. Seems to me like this is a big factor in cementing the two party system. That and the electoral college.

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Re: Bernie [Re: Tantrika]
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Yeah I agree with everything you said. I honestly don't think any of them can beat trump though. People love watching Donald on the television because he's so unpredictable. Hell a lot of people didn't even watch politics until he ran for president. If Biden got in everything would be boring again. Americans love entertainment. I love almost everything about Bernie besides for his views on gun control. I'm trying to decide if he's worth more than the 2nd amendment. I know it makes me sound like a redneck but I'm honestly not. This is important to millions of people. I wanted Bernie to win last election and once he was out of the race I didn't really care who won. I like Bernie's views on the drug war and universal healthcare. I believe college shouldn't be so expensive but at the same time I don't think it should be free. I think way to many people go to college and get nothing out of it. I think the most he would get done is universal healthcare and legalize pot. That doesn't sound so bad though lol. I have a feeling that trump might steal the marijuana thing before the next election lol. Things really aren't that bad right now though. They say this is the greatest time in history to be alive. Maybe we should all be more grateful. There's probably no afterlife so maybe we should stop taking existence so seriously? I don't know lol...

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Re: Bernie [Re: morrowasted]
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Tricks people?

What do you call Bernie on jre?

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Re: Bernie [Re: stzacrack]
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if you have a spanish last name and it's in more than one state they purged you last election

with the dnc they'd straight up just close the polls once hillary had enough to win

with trump in the swing states if there was like 3k causing hilary to win they'd just toss them

our election system is hilariously bad
we don't have the day off to vote
and we don't use block chain voting outside of absentee elections
if you had block chain you could vote from your phone and check your vote anytime
and anytime one server went down it wouldn't matter because there'd be hundreds of other servers updating

Edited by Konyap (08/11/19 02:46 PM)

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Re: Bernie [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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morrowasted said:
Trump tricks people into voting for platforms that are economically disadvantageous to them by playing on populist insecurities. Don't let yourself be duped



No, Trump's campaign platform of reversing the US trade agreements, controlling immigration and massive infrastructure investment were all policies that would benefit his supporters.

Unfortunately, he never implemented any of those proposals and passed a corporate tax cut that only benefits the very rich.

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Re: Bernie [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said:
Yeah I agree with everything you said. I honestly don't think any of them can beat trump though. People love watching Donald on the television because he's so unpredictable. Hell a lot of people didn't even watch politics until he ran for president. If Biden got in everything would be boring again. Americans love entertainment. I love almost everything about Bernie besides for his views on gun control. I'm trying to decide if he's worth more than the 2nd amendment. I know it makes me sound like a redneck but I'm honestly not. This is important to millions of people. I wanted Bernie to win last election and once he was out of the race I didn't really care who won. I like Bernie's views on the drug war and universal healthcare. I believe college shouldn't be so expensive but at the same time I don't think it should be free. I think way to many people go to college and get nothing out of it. I think the most he would get done is universal healthcare and legalize pot. That doesn't sound so bad though lol. I have a feeling that trump might steal the marijuana thing before the next election lol. Things really aren't that bad right now though. They say this is the greatest time in history to be alive. Maybe we should all be more grateful. There's probably no afterlife so maybe we should stop taking existence so seriously? I don't know lol...



Things really are bad right now. Effects of climate change and the corporate poisoning of our own environment will only get worse year by year, and will have devastating effects as early as the 2020's. If not addressed, wealth inequality along with automation will create an underclass utterly dependent on a small group of elites to provide for them(us) in the not so distant future. The divisiveness in this country means there will be no organized revolution, a pointless civil war over identity politics seems more likely.

We needed change yesterday, this election may be far more critical than people realize, without even taking into account future federal agency, judges, and supreme court nominations the 2020 president will be responsible for.

The vote is our only shot at delaying what's coming, and wastes of life such as Mitch Mcconnel are willing to die in the fight to ensure that the corporate elites' control over the rest of us remains absolute. Getting Bernie or someone like him in office is the only logical choice right now

Edited by feevers (08/11/19 07:53 PM)

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Re: Bernie [Re: feevers] * 1
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Theres no way biden is a democrat

He wouldn't be running if he cared about the party and the ppl

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