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Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted..
    #2612241 - 04/28/04 06:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted, says Powell - by: David Gollust in Berlin 28 Apr 2004, 18:48 UTC

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell joined foreign ministers and other officials from 55 countries in Berlin Wednesday for a conference on the resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe and elsewhere. Mr. Powell said opposition to Israeli policies is no excuse for attacks against Jews.

At least some portion of recent attacks on Jewish individuals and property in Europe have been attributed to Muslim youths and others angered by Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

In his policy address to the conference, Mr. Powell said that hate crimes against Jews are just that, crimes, which should be aggressively prosecuted and not shrugged off as side-effects of the Middle East conflict.

"Political disagreements do not justify physical assaults against Jews in our streets, the destruction of Jewish schools or the desecration of synagogues or cemeteries," he said. "There is no justification for anti-Semitism. It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel, but the line is crossed when Israel or its leaders are demonized or vilified, for example, by the use of Nazi symbols and racist caricatures."

Mr. Powell came with a high-level delegation of U.S. congressmen and other leaders, including Holocaust survivor and author Elie Weisel, who also condemned as particularly contemptuous comparisons of Israel's treatment of Palestinians with Nazi atrocities against Jews.

Mr. Weisel, the 1986 Nobel Peace laureate for his writing on the horrors of the Nazi era, stressed the importance of having the conference in the German capital and said he hopes the meeting will produce a powerful message against anti-Semitism in all languages, to everyone in the world.

The meeting, staged by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the OSCE, is the third international conference in the last year on the issue.

An Israeli watchddog group reported last week that worldwide incidents against Jews and vandalism against Jewish sites increased by 15 percent in 2003 over the previous year, with France, Britain, Russia, Germany and Canada having the highest number of such cases.

Some delegates here expressed concern that anti-Semitism may increase with the expansion of the European Union, contending that the EU's new central and eastern European members have lagged in tackling the problem.

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And the world says that the United States government is biased in favour of the Jews. Where on Earth would they get such foolish ideas? If other groups are targeted, well, if they're not Jewish then it' OK? Jerk-offs. Murder, vandalism, assault are all crimes and should be treated as such. To label one a 'hate crime' because the victim falls into a specific group is outrageous.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: grib]
    #2612252 - 04/28/04 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What the person was thinking at the time of the crime should have no effect on what they are charged with nor the sentence they recieve. Hate crimes are some fucked up 1984 kinda shit, ya heard.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: grib]
    #2612256 - 04/28/04 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

" Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. "

could have been reduced to "crimes should be aggressivley prosecuted." - that is if u think prosecution works, which history has shown it hasnt.

i would say let them kill each other.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: d33p]
    #2612259 - 04/28/04 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ya. If someone kicks a guy's ass, it shouldn't matter whether it's because of his Yamulka or for his wallet.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: d33p]
    #2612266 - 04/28/04 06:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup: Word y'all.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2612295 - 04/28/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And it certaintly should matter for Jews soley, as the article seems to indicate.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: grib]
    #2612423 - 04/28/04 06:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hate crimes against recreational drug users should be heavily prosecuted.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2612455 - 04/28/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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hate crimes against recreational drug users should be heavily prosecuted.



Ya, but who's gonna prosecute the government?


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2612470 - 04/28/04 07:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not sure you can call that "hate crimes", merely "crimes of rampant stupidity".

Either way..... the concept of hate crimes is as dumb as it gets.

Dead is dead. Mugged is mugged. Beaten is beaten.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2612874 - 04/28/04 08:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Should there be a difference in prosecution between crimes of passion and premeditation (1st vs 2nd degree)? If so, isn't that to do with what was in the person's head?


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: Tao]
    #2612900 - 04/28/04 08:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Should there be a difference in prosecution between crimes of passion and premeditation (1st vs 2nd degree)? If so, isn't that to do with what was in the person's head?




If one takes a life and that taking of life is not in defence against an agressor it's murder.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecut [Re: grib]
    #2612913 - 04/28/04 08:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

he's talking about premeditation, not defense.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: Tao]
    #2612984 - 04/28/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Should there be a difference in prosecution between crimes of passion and premeditation (1st vs 2nd degree)?



Yes.

Quote:

If so, isn't that to do with what was in the person's head?



That's not the same. If someone kills a gay, are they any more dead than a straight would be?


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2612988 - 04/28/04 09:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That's not the same. If someone kills a gay, are they any more dead than a straight would be?



If a guy catches his wife cheating and kills her, is she any more dead than someone shot in a bank robbery?


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    #2613000 - 04/28/04 09:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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he's talking about premeditation, not defense.




Sorry, I'm not clear on your point. He referenced 'premediation' and 'crimes of passion' My comment was simply, 'If one takes a life and that taking of life is not in defence against an agressor it's murder.' My meaning was that if one kills and it is not in defence against an agressor then I believe it to be murder.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecut [Re: grib]
    #2613026 - 04/28/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I mean that right now (as i understand it) 1st degree murder is when you plan out a murder ahead of time and commit it (premeditated) and 2nd degree murder is when you kill someone in a rage of anger directly after the triggering event, i.e. walking in on your wife cheating on you (crime of passion) . 1st degree carries a stiffer penalty than 2nd degree.

oh and this has nothing to do with self-defense.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2613036 - 04/28/04 09:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:wtf:


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2613065 - 04/28/04 09:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps it wasn't the best example, but the point was that whether a crime is premeditated or not does not change the outcome. This is not to say that I believe there should be no distinction between the two, nor do I believe that hate crime legislation is just. I believe that the motive should not be a determinant on the sentencing, but that intent should.


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecut [Re: Tao]
    #2613079 - 04/28/04 09:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
...oh and this has nothing to do with self-defense.




semantics... lalalala... nm  :tongue:


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Re: Hate Crimes Against Jews Should Be Aggressively Prosecuted.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2614165 - 04/29/04 02:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

...or if someone shoots an unarmed intruder as they're slipping out the back door?


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