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Iran seized an British tanker
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There goes another escalation...

Will there be war against Iran?
Will there be war against Iran?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 07/19/19 05:08 PM until the end of time

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: Patlal]
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Possibly. The chance is certainly higher now than before. Trump is apparently becoming more hawkish as Iran continues to do shit like this.

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: nooneman] * 1
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War with Iran may spell disaster for Trump's reelection and I think both him and Iran know it.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: nooneman] * 2
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nooneman said:
Possibly. The chance is certainly higher now than before. Trump is apparently becoming more hawkish as Iran continues to do shit like this.


Should Iran just sit by while the US wages economic warfare against the country and after the US violated its own agreement. Iran is causing trouble because it wants other countries to stand up to the actions of the United States. If a war starts it is 100% the fault of the Trump administration, doing the bidding of the Sunni gulf states. We are taking sides in a long simmering intra-Islamic conflict, and we are supporting the wrong side. When was the last time you heard about an Iranian born terrorist?


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: PreparationH]
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Numerous examples of war time presidents being reelected. You forget, everyone gets all red, white, and blue.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods] * 1
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The "Iran deal/agreement " should have been a treaty.


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (07/19/19 09:34 PM)

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
The "Iran deal/agreement " should have been a treaty.


Does this country do treaties anymore? Unless one party controls 2/3 of the senate, treaties are politically out of reach.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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It was still a contract between nations. Most of our international agreements are not treaties. Iran was complying. The us is the nation that broke its word. Beyond the Iranian situation, the fact that the trump administration so casually violates international agreements will have a long term impact on this country’s credibility and trustworthiness. We are no longer seen as a reliable partner.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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It's been awhile, it is shit, though. It's in the Constitution. Dont like it, amend it or try to be adults about it.

A treaty forces the Presidents hand.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (07/19/19 09:47 PM)

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: Patlal]
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There isn’t going to be a war with Iran because republicans elected a  draft dodging coward who was too afraid to participate in a war . He didn’t have the balls to stand with his fellow Americans when they needed him and he doesn’t have the balls to send Americans to die either . The Iranians know this too , that’s why they did this shit .
  There will probably be some real tough shit talking on twitter though . We can probably  count on that .


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Edited by Psilynut2 (07/19/19 10:01 PM)

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Who’s not being an adult about it? It was a signed agreement.

It would be one thing if Trump had any strategy to replace the agreement. The sanctions trump imposed in violation of the agreement has decimated the Iranian economy and now they have started enriching again. Why not? What lesson have they learned watching trump and North Korea? You get nukes and the US becomes a lot more pliable.

There are a lot of very dodgy connections between trump and his family and the Sunni gulf states. This whole thing stinks to high heaven


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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Congress are not the ones being adults. Who controls the Senate vs. Reasoned Debate. They need to reason and compromise or get rid of that duty. They dont ratify, they are supposed to approve.

Executives can of course have their own agreements....seems like treaties have more teeth. Is it too hard for our precious lawmaker's time?


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (07/19/19 10:19 PM)

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods] * 1
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You're defending an oppressive totalitarian religious dictatorship.

The reason why we're sanctioning them in the first place is because of all of the problems they've caused for us, our allies, and western civilization in general over the years. They consider us their sworn enemy, and would destroy the entirety of western civilization in an instant if they could. This is a government that kills people for being gay, for political beliefs, for insulting islam, and for drug possession. They have no freedoms whatsoever, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom of religion, and they enforce their rule with an iron fist. They oppose any rights for women whatsoever, they segregate the sexes, and they enforce religious law.

This is the government you're defending here.

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: nooneman] * 2
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I think you are confusing Iran with Saudi Arabia.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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Stop buying their oil...fuck them
both.

Edit: no more massive weapon sales


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (07/19/19 10:29 PM)

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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Trump was just on tv here, trying to blame everything on................. Obama of course.

I'd be surprised to see any bullets flying even though British naval ships are steaming towards the area, this is Iran's way of negotiating.

Trump re ignited this mess, the blame lies squarely at his feet, the fool.
He threw out a working agreement ifor NO OTHER good reason than to try and embarrass Obama
and has no clue on where to go with this.

Iran know how to manipulate and cause mischief, they have little to loose.

If the world is lucky Iran will be brought back to the same position it was before Trump turned the whole show on it's head.

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Quote:
The reason why we're sanctioning them in the first place is because of all of the problems they've caused for us, our allies, and western civilization in general over the years.


What are those problems exactly?

Quote:
You're defending an oppressive totalitarian religious dictatorship.


Not totalitarian. Not a dictatorship. Iran does have a Democratic process. When it comes to Islamic countries, women have a lot more freedom in Iran.

I’m just saying if we are going to take sides in the Middle East, why are we choosing the side that is truly a medieval totalitarian state run by an unelected royal family. Where women are truly second class citizens (women in Saudi Arabia are not allow to be in public without a male relative as a companion and cannot show their faces.) Saudi Arabia is a hotbed of radical Islamic ideology that breeds terrorists like crazy.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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No doubt. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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The playbook has been lifted from NK.

Nothing to lose.
Rattle sabre.
Poke bear.
Induce rhetoric.
Come out with something.

To easy to read because your playing with your trump card backwards.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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You want Wahhabist sauce with that?
Been to Saudi, it is a fearful place.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
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Friends of my mother moved to Saudi to work at a golf resort. They lived inside a highly guarded compound for foreigners. The woman was essentially a prisoner because she had no freedom to do anything outside the compound. From what I understand, nearly all foreigners live segregated in these compounds. Saudi is one of the most oppressive countries and if you are a woman, Saudi is hands down the worst place on earth. Iranians have far more freedom.

For decades there has been an issue with the Saudi government secreting Saudi citizens who have been accused of serious crimes like rape and murder out of the United States to avoid prosecution.

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: pineninja]
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pineninja said:
The playbook has been lifted from NK.



No, it hasn't.  It's just that there are people running the American government who either want to force the issue of a war or honestly believe that the Persians will back down from the Persian Gulf.  In no way, shape, form, mode of behavior or historical event is Iran like North Korea.

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I’m just saying if we are going to take sides in the Middle East, why are we choosing the side that is truly a medieval totalitarian state run by an unelected royal family. Where women are truly second class citizens (women in Saudi Arabia are not allow to be in public without a male relative as a companion and cannot show their faces.) Saudi Arabia is a hotbed of radical Islamic ideology that breeds terrorists like crazy.


Fair statement for sure.
Remember when the Crown Prince announced that they were graciously allowing women to drive?
Not long after the half dozen or so female activists who organised the protest that brought attantion to the issue were then rounded up and jailed

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: chibiabos] * 1
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chibiabos said:
pineninja said:
The playbook has been lifted from NK.



No, it hasn't.  It's just that there are people running the American government who either want to force the issue of a war or honestly believe that the Persians will back down from the Persian Gulf.  In no way, shape, form, mode of behavior or historical event is Iran like North Korea.


Looks different sounds different but..No nukes no leverage....same.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: pineninja]
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I doubt it. It took allegations of WMDs before to get public support.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: pineninja]
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pineninja said:
chibiabos said:
pineninja said:
The playbook has been lifted from NK.



No, it hasn't.  It's just that there are people running the American government who either want to force the issue of a war or honestly believe that the Persians will back down from the Persian Gulf.  In no way, shape, form, mode of behavior or historical event is Iran like North Korea.


Looks different sounds different but..No nukes no leverage....same.


Vastly different as they are, the idea that either of those countries have no leverage is just insane.  North Korea can vaporize Seoul just fine with chemical explosives and Iran is a regional hegemon.

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: chibiabos]
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Good word :thumbup:
hegemony

I thought pineninja was talking about Trump's approach to negotiating? ie

Turn the table upside down
Reset the negotiation starting point
Wait for the squeeze to take hold
Cross fingers and wait
Re negotiate to the same position before step 1

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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
pineninja said:
chibiabos said:
pineninja said:
The playbook has been lifted from NK.



No, it hasn't.  It's just that there are people running the American government who either want to force the issue of a war or honestly believe that the Persians will back down from the Persian Gulf.  In no way, shape, form, mode of behavior or historical event is Iran like North Korea.


Looks different sounds different but..No nukes no leverage....same.


Vastly different as they are, the idea that either of those countries have no leverage is just insane.  North Korea can vaporize Seoul just fine with chemical explosives and Iran is a regional hegemon.


Two quite different teams can see a particular weakness in a fellow opponent and adopt the same tactics.
In this case it would seem that the current American administration seems more inclined to do deals with those showing some modicum of force which seems, to me, a pyramid scheme style negotiation game.

The geo political reasons why each is trying to gain attention and press on certain points is quite different but they are both proxy front lines and they are both quite the ways away.

Nuclear capability is quite simply the only military threat that now needs to be mediated by those who want the throne.

I dont think there will be war this time round.
I do think the line in the sand is closer to the waters edge than ever before.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: pineninja]
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If you just flatter trump and go along with the ruse that he’s actually accomplished great things, you petty much get a pass. North Korea hasn’t given up anything significant, while the US has given up enforcement of third party sanctions and military exercises with the south. Kim has played Trump masterfully by simply ass kissing and playing along. Trump and Kim send love letters and act like buddies. It’s all optics without actual results. This is the way he’s always been. Gold plated crap.

Netanyahu is the same way with trump. Naming that town in the West Bank after trump was brilliant. Trump thinks it’s a sign of respect when it’s really just Netanyahu treating Trump like his bitch.

I can’t image there are many (if any) leaders and power brokers who don’t have total contempt for Trump, but if they are willing and able to put up with the idiocy and bury their true feelings and instead appeal to the insatiable narcissism of the President, they are able to manipulate him quite easily.


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Re: Iran seized an British tanker [Re: koods]
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koods said:
It’s all optics without actual results. Gold plated crap.



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