Fiery said:

Very insightful post.

I guess my perspective is just coming from a vastly un-caring person of sex, growing into a body that needs/wants sex, or is addicted to it, and then being confused about it.


Standard stuff for the self to consider.


I'm just trying to find a healthy balance, as I'm not looking for a relationship of any type at all, sexual or not. But yet I am a middle aged man. So logic says sex, family , houses, grandkids and stuff ensues. But I don't feel that way.

Forget the physical stuff, just trying to cope with biology sometimes. But I don't care about that, my deeper side wants to figure out who I am as a person spiritually, and then the sexuality can follow.


Oh the woe!

HELP ME FOLKS!

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Fiery said:

I've been struggling recently with sexuality, feeling guilty and even dirty for my sexual behaviors, which involve fantasizing about sex with women in peaceful and sometime intense sexual situations.

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Its inexcusable and impalatable to my tastes that you would choose women of all people to force your sick twisted sexual urges on. Another sex man, what the fuck are you thinking

You gotta stick to your own, its not right, the gender barrier should not be crossed and especially not with a gnarled veiny throbbing dick. To take a WOMAN, innocent, delicate and refined and stick that into her, you need help man seriously.

How long have you been fantasizing about women? You disgust and disappoint me. The other sex man, what the fuck?!

And then peacefully? Do you seriously think a non fantasy real-life woman would go along one second with your twisted views on sexuality? Thats one skewed perception right there.

Check your bible! Women like APPLES since the dawn of time.

Maybe you should jerk off five times a day so you wont get inapproprate erections around women.

Have you considered castration? I would seriously consider that before laying hands on a woman in a lapse of self control.

MEN AND WOMEN ARE LIKE CATS AND DOGS.

Get help, seriously.


To give you a pointer:


THIS IS NOT NORMAL:

Asante said:

Its inexcusable and impalatable to my tastes that you would choose women of all people to force your sick twisted sexual urges on. Another sex man, what the fuck are you thinking






You gotta stick to your own, its not right, the gender barrier should not be crossed and especially not with a gnarled veiny throbbing dick. To take a WOMAN, innocent, delicate and refined and stick that into her, you need help man seriously.





How long have you been fantasizing about women? You disgust and disappoint me. The other sex man, what the fuck?!



And then peacefully? Do you seriously think a non fantasy real-life woman would go along one second with your twisted views on sexuality? Thats one skewed perception right there.





Check your bible! Women like APPLES since the dawn of time.




Maybe you should jerk off five times a day so you wont get inapproprate erections around women.





Have you considered castration? I would seriously consider that before laying hands on a woman in a lapse of self control.




MEN AND WOMEN ARE LIKE CATS AND DOGS.

Get help, seriously.



To give you a pointer:


THIS IS NOT NORMAL:

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Fiery said:

even the priests and and religious elders struggle with spirituality and sexuality.


That's why I left myself open to advice from some higher advice.

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Asante said:

The subtext of that message is that, its OK to have any sort uf mutually consenting sexual relation between adults, any gender pairing as well as polyamory group or asexuality is OK, if it happend out of love.

Quote:

I agree

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I'm gay,





I also talk with God.







I asked God about homosexuality, he said: "I am all about love and among reasons I also created homosexuality so that there can be love, not just between genders but within them."




I asked him about the bible, he said: "Those were my rules then for the Israelites in an underpopulated world. You are not an Israelite and today you live on an overpopulated world. It is fine to be gay if it is born out of love.




Slavery is regulated in the bible too yet it is abolished now and the world is better for it.





Everything in proper measure. I am the Living Word. What I say to someone, today, is more to the point of the present moment than what I said to others, long ago.




The world changes,  whether we bolt solar panels to our roofs."

Let go of the zealotry you were brought up with. No matter what your gender is, if you are attracted to any gender, born out of love, that is perfectly fine. Dont lose sleep over that.




Love is God's Way, literally any form of mutual love is God's way, flowing directly.

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Fiery said:

Next.




I googled the term and it was the same result- but it made me realize that life is just a temporary place for the eternal.


E terminal are like the eternal- they are full of souls-
And when one is brought before the grinding mill it takes a long time.

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Quote:

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

1 corinthians 13

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Fiery said:

I've been struggling recently with sexuality, feeling guilty and even dirty for my sexual behaviors, which involve fantasizing about sex with women in peaceful and sometime intense sexual situations.

I think my thought process is messed up, because I grew up believing that sex outside of marriage was wrong, and that pornography and sexual thoughts were a sin, and even though my human biology says that it's ok, and healthy to do these things, I feel some sort of religious guilt.


Anyone have any advice for me, about how to be a healthy solo sexual individual, and justify my carnal nature and not have that guilt or remorse for something that I know I need(physical sexual release)

My thoughts are generally pure, but WHY do I feel so dirty sometimes for watching other people having sex and enjoying it?

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Quote:

He says (feel free to disregard):

It is My preference that people wait for the right moment, for when they are united with the one I intend for them, to have sexual relations. That moment is between us and us alone, and that is the genuine marriage, the marriage before God, the longterm commitment to each other before Me, which stands apart from the earthly or churchly institution of marriage.

It is my preference that people bond with full commitment and live in each others hearts before they enter each others bodies, so that they may offer their bodies and minds unspoiled by superficial experiences to the Sacred Union with their special one, which, I stress, might not last all their lives.

If lovers choose to capture their lovemaking, to themselves or each other, no matter how unusual the acts, on media, to then share these media with others, without money changing hands to incentivize it, it is an indiscretion of theirs to share it and an indiscretion of yours to watch it, but it is of an entirely lesser objectionability than when people who have little affinity for each other are brought together, incentivized by money, to engage in scripted sexual acts where no love flows from soul to soul.

In terms of Divine approval, if one is inclined to pornography, Divinity prefers "home videos" that are made between lovers over "porn stars" where participants violate the principles of love, each other and themselves, for the sake of money. Sin is when it is pornography made against the will or best interest of participants.

See that the degree of love being exchanged again determines the moral weight of the situation? It is by far a greater sin to strike two dead than to strike one dead, and it is by far more sinful to strike dead one innocent over striking two attackers dead in self defense. That each sin is absolute in the sense of that it carries equal weight is erroneous.

YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN.

I urge you to seek the path of Greater Love in your life in all things. If you succumb to the indiscretion of pornography, seek out the kinds made and shared out of love by lovers, which is readily accessible on the Internet today, even if it is of the unusual variety, and steer clear of the professional kinds born out of profit. The only acceptable profit on love should be greater love, not money.

The path of Greater Love I intend for you is for you to find a special someone to share that love with, so that it may multiply. In doing so, try not to settle for second best, lets your hands and perhaps toys be second best, making love to yourself so that you can focus unhindered by unfulfilled lust on following your heart towards the one it longs for, who longs for you, who has my hand in their back just as you will have my hand in your back as I join the both of you together.

If your hearts completely say YES to one another, you can rest assured that it is My Voice speaking through them both.

That is a Holy Union before God, regardless of gender, regardless of the ways that higher love comes to expression.

This is My word to you, and you are free to disregard it entirely, as it comes through a messageboard. Consult your heart about it, heal and strengthen your connection with your heart because it should be the compass on which you sail.

Sail your ship of life, steadfast and secure in my loving acceptance of you.

You are Blessed.

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Asante said:

Quote:

13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast,

Quote:

Men desire love and envy which required boasting

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it is not proud.





5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.







8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.




9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

1 corinthians 13

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theres your bible verse.





Its not about the bible, its about what God wants of You, Now. Books are the written word for those who cannot hear the Word. They are a crutch. There are undiscovered tribes where people live closer to God than many so called "christians" because they follow their hearts and minds and don't have to read in a book whats right and wrong, they feel it by heart. And not having known Jesus they will soar straight to heaven.



I will channel now and you are completely free to disregard it, He insists on me saying that.

Fiery said:

I've been struggling recently with sexuality, feeling guilty and even dirty for my sexual behaviors, which involve fantasizing about sex with women in peaceful and sometime intense sexual situations.

I think my thought process is messed up, because I grew up believing that sex outside of marriage was wrong, and that pornography and sexual thoughts were a sin, and even though my human biology says that it's ok, and healthy to do these things, I feel some sort of religious guilt.


Anyone have any advice for me, about how to be a healthy solo sexual individual, and justify my carnal nature and not have that guilt or remorse for something that I know I need(physical sexual release)

My thoughts are generally pure, but WHY do I feel so dirty sometimes for watching other people having sex and enjoying it?

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Quote:

He says (feel free to disregard):

It is My preference that people wait for the right moment, for when they are united with the one I intend for them, to have sexual relations. That moment is between us and us alone, and that is the genuine marriage, the marriage before God, the longterm commitment to each other before Me, which stands apart from the earthly or churchly institution of marriage.




It is my preference that people bond with full commitment and live in each others hearts before they enter each others bodies, so that they may offer their bodies and minds unspoiled by superficial experiences to the Sacred Union with their special one, which, I stress, might not last all their lives.






If lovers choose to capture their lovemaking, to themselves or each other, no matter how unusual the acts, on media, to then share these media with others, without money changing hands to incentivize it, it is an indiscretion of theirs to share it and an indiscretion of yours to watch it, but it is of an entirely lesser objectionability than when people who have little affinity for each other are brought together, incentivized by money, to engage in scripted sexual acts where no love flows from soul to soul.





See that the degree of love being exchanged again determines the moral weight of the situation? It is by far a greater sin to strike two dead than to strike one dead, and it is by far more sinful to strike dead one innocent over striking two attackers dead in self defense. That each sin is absolute in the sense of that it carries equal weight is erroneous.

YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN.




I urge you to  love, not money.






The path of Greater Love I intend for you is for you to find a special someone to share that love with,







so that it may multiply. In doing so, try not to settle for second best, lets your hands and perhaps toys be second best, making love to yourself so that you can focus unhindered by unfulfilled lust on following your heart towards the one it longs for,







who longs for you, who has my hand in their back just as you will have my hand in your back as I join the both of you together.




If your hearts completely say YES to one another, you can rest assured that it is My Voice speaking through them both.

That is a Holy Union before God, regardless of gender, regardless of the ways that higher love comes to expression.

This is My word to you, and you are free to disregard it entirely, as it comes through a messageboard. Consult your heart about it,



heal and strengthen your connection with your heart because it should be the compass on which you sail.



Sail your ship of life, steadfast and secure in my loving acceptance of you.

You are Blessed.

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Fiery said:

I've been struggling recently with sexuality, feeling guilty and even dirty for my sexual behaviors, which involve fantasizing about sex with women in peaceful and sometime intense sexual situations.

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Mr.GuessWork said:

Fiery said:

I've been struggling recently with sexuality, feeling guilty and even dirty for my sexual behaviors, which involve fantasizing about sex with women in peaceful and sometime intense sexual situations.

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This sounds like perfectly normal intimate fantasy to me.


Nothing to be ashamed of

. People commonly fantasize about way less vanilla stuff than this.


you could even play these fantasies out with a lady in the right setting and have both of you enjoy it as part of a healthy relationship.

maybe explore what you feel guilty about, why you feel guilty, and if you believe that guilt is justified after you understand it better.


I went through a phase where I explored this side of myself too ( I still explore it to be honest).


I'm not a very sexually needy person, and I enjoy being single, but I like getting mutually lost in the pleasures of a sexual experience with a girl I care about, and it's satisfying to know it when somebody feels that way about me.



I still enjoy sexual fantasy in the absence of a real partner, and I don't feel shame about that anymore

. It's nice to have somebody else validate those feelings, but ever since someone I cared about helped me explore that in a relationship, I now believe that indulging in sexual bliss as part of caring for someone or as part of caring for myself is not wrong and isn't justifiably shameful.

Great emotional bonding and trust can form around meaningful sex, and sex and lust are a great part of an honest and healthy relationship. there's no shame in embracing that idea or in exploring it through fantasy. Enjoy it.


Maybe someday you can share that joy with somebody else for mutual benefit.

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