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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
XUL has never driven on the road, drank city water, used city sewage, turned on the lights in his home, used any product that has benefited from any of these resources, and sure as fuck doesn't need the government as a result.



He certainly would never use the wifi at the library


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
So who exactly do you want to pay for the sins of slave owners and for the betterment of the used black community.

Who is paying this?

Everyone?

Even blacks?



Everyone who isnt a descendent pays. Blacks only pay if they are in a certain income bracket.

It would act like paying Social Security, we pay them (the elderly) even thou we dont even know them.

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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
XUL said:
So Beto was caught trying to beat a guardian report that would detail his deep family history and ties to slavery. It turns out he beat the guardian's report and got in the first word.

What's with all the slave owning KKK Dems running for president?

Why would lefties want to support privileged families who are guilty of the very things they hate. Slavery, generational wealth produced from blacks, KKK busing, and Indian impersonators?

Wow. This is going to be a dirty identity politic kind of election. And Trump will crush the fake establishment candidates.

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The Democratic presidential candidate made the disclosure shortly before a report by The Guardian was published detailing his family's slave-owning history

Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke acknowledged Sunday that his ancestors, as well as his wife Amy’s, had owned slaves. O’Rourke wrote in a post on Medium that his paternal great-great-great grandfather enslaved two women in the 1850s. His maternal great-great-great grandfather, he added, “most likely” also owned slaves.





https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2bfdfbe4b02a5a5d5d26ab/amp




I notice you've done no research and don't care if Trumps family owned slaves. Can't have a double standard like that



They aren't my principles to live up to.

They are yours.


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
XUL said:
So who exactly do you want to pay for the sins of slave owners and for the betterment of the used black community.

Who is paying this?

Everyone?

Even blacks?



Everyone who isnt a descendent pays. Blacks only pay if they are in a certain income bracket.

It would act like paying Social Security, we pay them (the elderly) even thou we dont even know them.



I respect the honest answer.

In this case, it is unfair.

Many blacks owned slaves and many whites didn't own slaves. Further, many families are now mixed.

Three question for you chaos.

Will black families who owned slaves have to pay?

Will people who came to the country 5 years ago have to pay?

Will mixed families pay or receive?


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
It’s an area that includes modern Germany but also Austria and what’s sometimes called “Germania Slavica,” the eastern edge of the German medieval settlement in parts of the modern Czech Republic and Slovenia. Besides the Trump clan, this slice of Europe is the birthplace of Freud, Grimm’s fairy tales, the Nazi movement, schnitzel, pilsner beer and some of Europe’s great writers and musicians including Kafka, Dvorak and Mozart.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/travel/trump-family-roots-europe.html

Sounds likely that some second or third cousins were Nazi's.  My original argument was this is not a thing to politicize anymore than a rebuttal to invalidate claims that Beto or Harris had distant relatives that owned slaves.



I'm throwing up in my mouth thinking Trump could be part Czech.

Trump's father was arrested at a KKK rally.


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Morel Guy said:
It’s an area that includes modern Germany but also Austria and what’s sometimes called “Germania Slavica,” the eastern edge of the German medieval settlement in parts of the modern Czech Republic and Slovenia. Besides the Trump clan, this slice of Europe is the birthplace of Freud, Grimm’s fairy tales, the Nazi movement, schnitzel, pilsner beer and some of Europe’s great writers and musicians including Kafka, Dvorak and Mozart.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/travel/trump-family-roots-europe.html

Sounds likely that some second or third cousins were Nazi's.  My original argument was this is not a thing to politicize anymore than a rebuttal to invalidate claims that Beto or Harris had distant relatives that owned slaves.



I'm throwing up in my mouth thinking Trump could be part Czech.

Trump's father was arrested at a KKK rally.





that doesn't have anything to do with MorelGuy's claim that the ancestors/relatives were Nazis.  it's still speculation and assumptions on his part without proof.


simple concept, guys, simple concept



to add to that, members of one half of my German side were Nazis.  One of my dad's cousins has the uniform (or i assume still does) as he showed it off proudly one time.

So, does that make me a Nazi or subject to holding Nazi sympathies?

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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: Tulipslave]
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No it does not make you a nazi or a nazi supporter as per my original claim.


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said:
to add to that, members of one half of my German side were Nazis.  One of my dad's cousins has the uniform (or I assume still does) as he showed it off proudly one time.

So, does that make me a Nazi or subject to holding Nazi sympathies?




Interesting.

A friend's great uncle was one of the first of the Nazis, but he spent more time distancing himself than anything.

And to answer your question, of course not.

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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
Seriously_trippin said:
XUL said:
So Beto was caught trying to beat a guardian report that would detail his deep family history and ties to slavery. It turns out he beat the guardian's report and got in the first word.

What's with all the slave owning KKK Dems running for president?

Why would lefties want to support privileged families who are guilty of the very things they hate. Slavery, generational wealth produced from blacks, KKK busing, and Indian impersonators?

Wow. This is going to be a dirty identity politic kind of election. And Trump will crush the fake establishment candidates.

Quote:
The Democratic presidential candidate made the disclosure shortly before a report by The Guardian was published detailing his family's slave-owning history

Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke acknowledged Sunday that his ancestors, as well as his wife Amy’s, had owned slaves. O’Rourke wrote in a post on Medium that his paternal great-great-great grandfather enslaved two women in the 1850s. His maternal great-great-great grandfather, he added, “most likely” also owned slaves.





https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2bfdfbe4b02a5a5d5d26ab/amp




I notice you've done no research and don't care if Trumps family owned slaves. Can't have a double standard like that



They aren't my principles to live up to.

They are yours.



No XUL they aren’t mine, I’ve repeatedly said reparations are wrong and unwarranted. You seem WAAYYY more concerned with these principles then I am. I’ve said I don’t believe in reparations and white people living today don’t owe shit to anybody. So what you disagree?


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: XUL]
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Its a complex question for sure.

Black non slave-descendents would pay if they had a middle-class income or more.

I guess only US born would pay.

Mixed families, thatd be a tough one. How about if they lived together, they all benefit and the non-black family wouldnt have to pay for co-living, supporting slave-descendents.

No one who lives in poverty would pay since they dont have any money anyway. I imagine it being like a general taxing similar to Social Security that is paided a little at a time each paycheck not a one-time payment.

But paid for how long, not sure on that......

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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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People are complaining about a proposed payroll tax to pay for single payer healthcare for everyone.  Do you really think that a payroll tax that benefits only descendants of African slaves has a snowball's chance in hell of gaining traction?

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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: ballsalsa]
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I don't think anybody honestly has much belief in reparations happening. I can give XUL some credit for creating this thread though, it definitely is a difficult question.


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: christopera]
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Gazing into the crystal ball, what happens when the traditional owners ask for rent money for the last 600 years of land use?

I'll bet that won't come up in any policy debate anytime soon  :nowaydude:

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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
I don't think anybody honestly has much belief in reparations happening. I can give XUL some credit for creating this thread though, it definitely is a difficult question.



Is he going to create a new thread for every politician with slave owning ancestors?


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: koods]
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Probably only if brietbart or Fox posted something about it lol


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Re: Beto's family owned slaves [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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it's a good way to try to distract people into imploding on themselves, i think that's prob the ulterior motive for the entire suggestion. another incendiary strategy to use against political rivals lol.


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