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GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO 4
#26111270 - 07/16/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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In this video I demonstrate how to grow 30 lbs of mushrooms as quickly as possible in limited space (under a table for example). A download link for the video is also provided.
I know there are lots of grow vids out there, but I didn't find any that use all of the latest proven techniques, combined into a single video that shows everything from spores to capsules, so I think my contribution fills a small void. I worked on the video for 5 months
Content Index (use link above for hyperlinked version of this) 3:14 Using agar for creating cultures 4:12 Basic clean procedure described 5:05 Pouring petri dishes 9:27 Making and using an incubator (only needed if your room temps are below 70F) 11:44 Selecting a grain 13:27 Preparing grain before inoculation 22:29 Inoculating grain with spores 24:07 Inoculating grain with mycelium from agar cuttings 26:33 Incubating the inoculated grain 26:53 How to make and use a still air box 35:52 Shaking 1/3 colonized grain jars to speed full colonization 37:58 Multiplying the grain spawn 48:18 Selecting a tote/monotub/latchbox and preparing the fruiting substrate 55:46 Optionally using hydrogen peroxide (consensus opinion is that it is not needed, I use it because it inhibits spore germination) 57:42 Spawning the fruiting totes 1:01:41 How to grow under a table with 12 hour on/off LED lighting and optional thermostatic heat (if your room temps are below 70F) 1:06:41 Watering your substrate 1:08:46 When to harvest 1:10:02 Harvests begin (water float technique) 1:14:25 Using a dehydrator 1:17:35 How to remove water from a large tote (pick up technique) 1:18:41 How to tell if your mushrooms are dry enough ("cracker dry") 1:21:02 Rehydrating the block 1:23:34 How to remove water from a large tote using the siphon method 1:31:14 Storing dry mushrooms (with desiccant) 1:35:08 Handling contaminated blocks (outdoor transplant) 1:35:25 Cold shocking a tote to increase yields 1:39:21 Powdering and compressing into capsules 1:41:40 Using a capsule machine
Thank you to all from this forum who contributed to the knowledge base (most of these are demonstrated in the video):
Foo Man’s Wild Bird Seed method https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629/fpart/all/vc/1
Or use oats, they are $15 for 50 lbs at tractor supply: https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/producers-pride-oats-50-lb?cm_vc=-10005 OAT TEK: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24126032&page=0&vc=1#24126032
How to prepare coir and bulk substrate: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1 2 quarts verm 4 qts water and 1 brick coir (or 650-700g chipped from block) 1 brick of coir = 650g (1.43 lbs) (you may have to chip off that much from the larger 11 lbs blocks sold by Home Depot)
Unmodified mono tub TEK (Bodhisatta or BOD): https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800/fpart/1/vc/1
BOD’s collection of TEKs: https://www.shroomery.org/13986/Simplified-Cultivation-Methods-Easy-As-Fuck-link-list-Trusted-Culvator-links-and-methods-and-other-cultivation-info https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24297804&page=0&vc=1#24297804 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021
BOD’s still air box: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23990888
BODs water/float harvest TEK: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24198162
Build your own flow hood: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24201748
Substrate surface moisture: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
How to use a capsule machine
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: GordoTEK] 1
#26111379 - 07/16/19 10:25 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks bro! Will definitely be checking this out... and I plan to utilize your dmt tek soon as well
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: TheTinMayn] 5
#26111405 - 07/16/19 10:36 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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dont put hydrogen peroxide in your bulk sub
i just jumped to a time and thats what i saw bummer.
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: mushboy] 1
#26111429 - 07/16/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I jumped to a spot and he put a Frikin space heater into a cooler for an incubator. lol. I'm dying.
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: mushboy] 1
#26111498 - 07/16/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: dont put hydrogen peroxide in your bulk sub
i just jumped to a time and thats what i saw bummer.
Why? In my opinion its an under-appreciated technique, well proven to inhibit spore germination without affecting mycelial growth (Dr. Rush Wayne did a lot of work proving its effectiveness, although his sales/marketing hype was a bit over the top, the idea is sound). You can't argue with the results can you? Some have speculated in the past the it might harm pins - but this myth has been debunked as you can see in the video - H2O2 does not hurt pins AT ALL. It costs next to nothing (88 cents for a 32oz bottle) and it works.
As for using a space heater in an incubator - don't knock it until you've tried it. It works well, and it only cycles on for a few seconds at a time. Use what you have. Using aquarium heaters / warm water heating are bad ideas in my personal opinion - but everyone has their personal preferences...
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: GordoTEK] 2
#26111598 - 07/16/19 12:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Because you are no longer feeding it it will eventually die of starvation but it takes months, technically if you keep feeding it you can keep it alive indefinitely"
I jumped toward the end and watched a few minutes and heard that and said Now I wanna see a video of just that... you feeding cakes to keep them alive indefinitely. 
You may have a mostly good video idk but sounds like it has some bad info. May I suggest sticking to some tried and true teks here and doing a video on that. To a T tho. Or writeup your own tek so it can be critiqued to death and then produce a video based on that. Could getcha a good respectable grow vid that way.
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: El Chupacabra] 1
#26111693 - 07/16/19 12:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I actually love a productive discussion, so by all means, keep the comments coming...
Regarding keeping a block going by re-feeding, you didn't include the full quote, now did you? Right after that I said "but its usually better to just start over". That said, I'm actually surprised you've never heard of this. Many people take a cake that's already flushed, rip it up, and use it as spawn for a new cake. You can actually do this over and over again as long as it's not contaminated.
Getting back to peroxide, just out of curiosity I decided to search pubmed, and low and behold, the very first thing that pops up, just published THIS MONTH is a study showing hydrogen peroxide effectiveness against spore germination! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31077510
p.s. I will certainly consider producing a written out version, but it is based on the TEKS already linked above (and in the video description) with only minor tweaks.
p.p.s. Maybe you should zoom to the end to see what is actually produced in the video before knocking it?
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#26111713 - 07/16/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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So i think why people are against the H2O2 is because even though it might retard spore germination it will also affect the myc. Although it wont kill the myc it produces environmental stress which does slow it down, negating the peroxides benefits. If youre confident you have clean culture you wont ever need peroxide.
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: GordoTEK] 1
#26111718 - 07/16/19 01:13 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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GordoTEK said:
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mushboy said: dont put hydrogen peroxide in your bulk sub
i just jumped to a time and thats what i saw bummer.
Why? In my opinion its an under-appreciated technique, well proven to inhibit spore germination without affecting mycelial growth (Dr. Rush Wayne did a lot of work proving its effectiveness, although his sales/marketing hype was a bit over the top, the idea is sound). You can't argue with the results can you? Some have speculated in the past the it might harm pins - but this myth has been debunked as you can see in the video - H2O2 does not hurt pins AT ALL. It costs next to nothing (88 cents for a 32oz bottle) and it works.
That's specious reasoning. I keep rocks near my tubs because it keeps contams away.
You cant argue with the results can you? What's it 'working' on anyway?
H202 is noob shit. Clean spawn is all you need to thwart contamination. Using it like you are and claim it works is snake oil tactics.
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: Je77Ce11ar] 1
#26111722 - 07/16/19 01:16 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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even though it might retard spore germination it will also affect the myc
I have heard this, and other related myths, but I consider them debunked. Is seeing not believing anymore? I had monster flushes in just 10 days after spawning. The grow produced 30 lbs of mushrooms. In what way was the myc negatively affected? H2O2 provides water and oxygen, two things mycelium need to grow!
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: mushboy] 1
#26111734 - 07/16/19 01:25 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's it 'working' on anyway?
H202 is noob shit. Clean spawn is all you need to thwart contamination. Using it like you are and claim it works is snake oil tactics.
Wow - why devolve like this? I prefer rational discussion. Anyway, when you are working with bulk substrate, you aren't in a clean room environment, spores are pretty much everywhere, flying around in the air, and they get in your tubs. If you are lucky, you get two flushes before it contams - that might be fine for most people since the first two flushes represent most of the output anyway. I believe that using a substance that is proven to inhibit spore germination can get you more flushes. I grow 30 pounds of mushrooms in the video. What would that have been without the H2O2? Who knows, we can only speculate until someone does a side by side comparison (repeated at least 10 times). I'm guessing the H2O2 wins. Its ultra cheap, proven effective, and the substrate needs water and oxygen anyway, so I use it. If you don't want to, that's fine. It's optional. NOTE: I even specifically say in the video it's optional!
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: GordoTEK] 1
#26111744 - 07/16/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want rational discussion then dont make baseless claims that make zero sense and nobody does.
If your subs mold after two flushes then you got dirty spawn. Using clean spawn would solve that issue. Using h202 is leading people down a rabbithole of bullshit.
The air is dirty correct but mold spores wont germinate on healthy mycelium. Adding to the bulk sub is just...
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#26111768 - 07/16/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Before this turns into another flame thread (there have been a lot recently), can we just agree that H202 is controversial, but the rest of the vid is decent quality and nice to have some more quality walkthrough content?
Maybe it'd be more constructive to reference the threads or information where this was disproven so that GordoTEK can see what you're talking about? (Not saying it's untrue, but let's share the info we're all talking about here).
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- Popping Corn Rapid Re-hydration - Half fill all containers with corn. Empty into Instant Pot. Cover with water. Run 30 minutes on PC. Release, remove, dry.
- Wheat/Rye Berry Soak Re-hydration - Half fill all containers with grain. Empty in pot with water. Soak for 6-12 hours, air dry until surface is completely dry.
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: mushboy] 1
#26111776 - 07/16/19 01:51 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: If your subs mold after two flushes then you got dirty spawn. Using clean spawn would solve that issue.
So you believe that contaminated spawn is the only source of possible contamination? And where is this proven? Couldn't this theory be easily debunked just by doing a goofy open air (no top) grow?
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mushboy said: mold spores wont germinate on healthy mycelium
Uhhhh, you DO realize there is more than just mycelium in there, right??? The tote is full of nice moist FOOD that fungi/mold want to eat!
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: GordoTEK] 1
#26111800 - 07/16/19 02:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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GordoTEK said:
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mushboy said: If your subs mold after two flushes then you got dirty spawn. Using clean spawn would solve that issue.
So you believe that contaminated spawn is the only source of possible contamination? And where is this proven? Couldn't this theory be easily debunked just by doing a goofy open air (no top) grow?
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mushboy said: mold spores wont germinate on healthy mycelium
Uhhhh, you DO realize there is more than just mycelium in there, right??? The tote is full of nice moist FOOD that fungi/mold want to eat!
Open air grows you say??
  
All three of those were spawned, colonized and fruited with no lids. I said bad spawn contaminates substrates not the air.
What's your point?
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#26111851 - 07/16/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do believe mushboy, 90% of what you need is clean, healthy myc. Other factors do come into play, ie moisture levels or other environmental factors that create environmental stress and make myc more vulnerable to contamination. Its totally possible that bc Gordo already has clean myc the peroxide works for him, but that doesnt mean not using peroxide will lead to contamination.
Ive travelled down the peroxide rabbit hole for a little, mostly bc i wasnt confident with my technique, and had mixed results.

This tub i did soak in H2O2, but looking back now, im not convinced success was due to the soak. Gordo, no one is attacking you. If you want to quell the “hate,” just do another grow the same way but with a side by side control group, and post the results. May bring a lot of clarity to this debate. None of us are experts, were all still learning 🙃
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#26111882 - 07/16/19 02:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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No hate ment towards Gordon but when the title is BEST METHODS. ...then has you adding h202 to bulk sub??

I wonder what else is in the video that's..iffy
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#26111967 - 07/16/19 03:14 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh I heard you say that. I may not have typed out the whole quote sure but you did lay that out like it was an option... at the very least it would be cool if you could explain exactly how you feed it to keep it going indefinitely.
As far as I know it's not even an option.
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Re: GordoTEK Bulk Mushroom Cultivation best methods 2019 COMPLETE spores to capsules step by step VIDEO [Re: GordoTEK] 3
#26112137 - 07/16/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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GordoTEK said: I actually love a productive discussion, so by all means, keep the comments coming...
Regarding keeping a block going by re-feeding, you didn't include the full quote, now did you? Right after that I said "but its usually better to just start over". That said, I'm actually surprised you've never heard of this. Many people take a cake that's already flushed, rip it up, and use it as spawn for a new cake. You can actually do this over and over again as long as it's not contaminated.
Getting back to peroxide, just out of curiosity I decided to search pubmed, and low and behold, the very first thing that pops up, just published THIS MONTH is a study showing hydrogen peroxide effectiveness against spore germination! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31077510
p.s. I will certainly consider producing a written out version, but it is based on the TEKS already linked above (and in the video description) with only minor tweaks.
p.p.s. Maybe you should zoom to the end to see what is actually produced in the video before knocking it?
Using old cakes as spawn is called super spawning. Everyone knows about it from all their failures trying it against everyone's advice because noobs know better and learn from their own mistakes at least I know I did.
Open air no top grows are probably the most contamination resistant way to grow because fresh air is our best defense against contamination. If you have slightly bad bacterial spawn I would probably suggest you do an open air grow to try to get the most from it.
Hydrogen peroxide is proven to harm even human skin and we contain an astronomical amount of enzymes that break it down in comparison to fungi. Peroxide absolutely sets back healthy mycelium even if it doesn't outright kill pins. Peroxide is no longer recommend for first aid kits because it slows down healing and has the potential to make scarring worse. We have a circulatory system bringing peroxidase to wounds keeping it from doing much damage mushrooms do not have that system so peroxide starts to kill faster.
Ncbi links are great. Studies need to be combed over with a load of critical thinking. I didn't read it but i bet i could pick it apart. For example there's plenty of studies about additives that double yields of mushroom harvests. Done by people who cant grow well in the first place. It would be compelling if a farm doubles their yield but a benchtop grow in a lab done by someone who's never grown a mushroom before is absolutely not compelling even if the article has a great title.
I will say I'm impressed with most of the video though
Your ball valve modification looks dangerous. Probably something i would do but not show or suggest (probably would tho because sorry people gotta think for themselves)
And people used to grow very impressive grows with abysmal methods all the time 10+ years ago. Pillow case manure, spores directly to spawn, pasteurizing at 170+, etc... Cubes are a weed they grow well even against the odds usually. Not to say the ends don't justify the means but consistency and repeatability without contamination is the golden ticket
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#26112211 - 07/16/19 05:00 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gotta say it's getting weird now people making videos with my teks lol. Im glad they helped you out and assuredly your video will help people out. I learned from abysmal sources of info and legendary sources and everybody between and made it to here. A couple tidbits of bad info won't kill anyone they'll figure it out if they have the intelligence to grow in the first place. So I've been a little less concerned with making everything 100% noob friendly. Im sure i even have some bad info in some of my stuff.(especially if you look up 4+ year old posts of mine lol) and i guarantee if i disappeared for 10 years and came back id be half obsolete. So in a lengthy way im saying keep on keeping on. We need people with your energy and desire to teach and share.
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