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YangSupporter
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Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and yes many Americans can not afford a 400 dollar emergency. It has nothing to do with work ethic it is the result of growing wealth inequality.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shenmue]
#26105859 - 07/13/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: I guess I'll just have to take your word for it lol. As if no one on the internet ever lies . I bet you're poor as fuck.
It would be better for my arguments here if I was poor. Alas
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The Ecstatic said: It would be better for my arguments here if I was poor. Alas
Yangs gonna bring Jeff Bezos to his knees!
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shenmue]
#26105884 - 07/13/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: I guess I'll just have to take your word for it lol. As if no one on the internet ever lies . I bet you're poor as fuck.
It doesn't matter if he's lying or not, his personal financial status has no bearing on the current economic statistics that point out the issues of the US working class.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman] 1
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I appreciate you acknowledging that my ideology isn’t rooted in selfishness.
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The Ecstatic said: It would be better for my arguments here if I was poor. Alas
Yangs gonna bring Jeff Bezos to his knees!
How about we just tax his businesses fairly
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] 1
#26105930 - 07/13/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: It would be better for my arguments here if I was poor. Alas
Yangs gonna bring Jeff Bezos to his knees!
How about we just tax his businesses fairly
That’s the plan tick Tock Bezos
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Asante] 1
#26105942 - 07/13/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong I want Trump 2020 too, but so that the republicans will NEVER EVER vote a person like him into power again and will re-focus on actual performance instead of who has the biggest mouth and wallet.
America needs a humbling. It needs to get fucked hard by its own dick, and for that reason I want you guys to re-elect it - so it can finish the job it intended all along.
Trump is Mother Nature's Fuck You to America - to destroy it by its own greed with which it was already destroyig the rest of the world.
Why turn much of the world into a wasteland if it can be done so much more cost effectively right at home?
Trump 2020 - Let Babylon Burn.
Precisely because I want the best for America and the world, your unavoidable crisis must come NOW and not in 2024 when the average American is even more weakened. A later crisis will be a worse crisis. The sooner you fall on your face the sooner you are back on your feet and the less severe your injuries.
HIT ROCK BOTTOM.
Asante, you're fucking cool man. Even as an American, I can say I think you're right about us as a nation.
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YangSupporter said: Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and yes many Americans can not afford a 400 dollar emergency. It has nothing to do with work ethic it is the result of growing wealth inequality.
I don't believe that at all.
I worked minimum wage many a day and I was still able to save.
Most people spend their money on weed and Netflix.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Shenmue] 2
#26106320 - 07/13/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: The economy is doing good and we're not in any major war. That's better than a lot of other presidents. So why change anything? Even if you don't agree with the things he says nothing bad is happening so who gives a fuck.
The stock market is doing good. The economy is not.
We’re in the midst of the longest war in US history.
Yeah why change anything. Half the country can’t afford a $400 emergency but at least the Walton family is taking it in.
Im sorry but you're completely full of it. You mean you're not doing good. I feel like poor people always want to blame the government for all their problems. Instead of going to a trade school or college they want to sit around and blame other people. The study's show that the economy is doing better than it was. Go to Google and type "how is the economy doing in 2019". I guess you know more than all the experts.
Congratulations. You're now the least informed member who routinely posts in this sub as demonstrated by your posts here. Additionally, you have shown little to no interest in educating yourself so you can meaningfully and/or accurately contribute to the discussions.
Is this interesting and fun for you?
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] 1
#26106360 - 07/13/19 04:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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YangSupporter said: Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and yes many Americans can not afford a 400 dollar emergency. It has nothing to do with work ethic it is the result of growing wealth inequality.
I worked minimum wage many a day and I was still able to save.
You did because you had no health issues you likely do not have children or family that needs help. This is not to discount your struggles but there are many Americans in far worse positions than you it is not a equal playing field.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] 1
#26106435 - 07/13/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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YangSupporter said: Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and yes many Americans can not afford a 400 dollar emergency. It has nothing to do with work ethic it is the result of growing wealth inequality.
I don't believe that at all.
I worked minimum wage many a day and I was still able to save.
Most people spend their money on weed and Netflix.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/22/pf/emergency-expenses-household-finances/index.html
Got any evidence for your weed and Netflix claim? My evidence came from the US Federal Reserve.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL]
#26106569 - 07/13/19 06:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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YangSupporter said: Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and yes many Americans can not afford a 400 dollar emergency. It has nothing to do with work ethic it is the result of growing wealth inequality.
I don't believe that at all.
I worked minimum wage many a day and I was still able to save.
Most people spend their money on weed and Netflix.
well what type of lifestyle and how long ago? things change, for example prices on everything have gone up since 10yrs ago. gas might be the only thing with actual price fluidity.
not to mention weed should be legal, we should be growing it everywhere, and it should be practically free. it's a part of nature and we need to clean up the air. someone needs to pass along this message more and trump wont be that person.
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Wealth inequality or income inequality?
Jobs are not equal. Different job, different income. How is that bad?
Wouldn't it be really unfair if everybody's income was equal?
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The problem isn’t inequality, the problem is excessive inequality. The top 1% have twice as much weath as the entire bottom 90%. Not saying this is what we should do but if you took half the wealth of the top 1% you could double the wealth of every single person in the bottom 90%. Extremely unequal societies are not stable. The top 1% are hoarding more and more of the nations wealth, using it to make even more wealth, while the little guy struggles to meet expenses.
As human labor becomes more obsolete, the rich will own the robots that replaced the workers who will find it harder and harder to even make a livings. The gains in productivity due to technology have been captured almost entirely by employers, while employees haven’t benefited much at all. This is not a sustainable situation.
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We better tax the fuck out of robots.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
#26106858 - 07/13/19 10:37 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im curious how Conservatives feel about Human-like Robots
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26106914 - 07/13/19 11:23 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cant wait till the robot episode.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] 2
#26106950 - 07/14/19 12:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: The problem isn’t inequality, the problem is excessive inequality. The top 1% have twice as much weath as the entire bottom 90%.
How do you know that's excessive? Tell me that the 90% produce more GNP than the 1%, and I might be more sympathetic...
Not saying this is what we should do but if you took half the wealth of the top 1% you could double the wealth of every single person in the bottom 90%.
...but never to robbery to satisfy someone's sense of fairness. It doesn't make sense anyway. What about the folks who have a net negative wealth. Or something close to zero?
Extremely unequal societies are not stable. What's extreme? And I disagree. I'm pretty sure people care about their absolute measure of wealth way more than their relative measure - if I have enough, I don't care about the Joneses. Or the Vanderbilts. And I'd also bet that unequal rights have a lot more to do with instability than unequal wealth.
The top 1% are hoarding more and more of the nations wealth, using it to make even more wealth, while the little guy struggles to meet expenses.
They can't hoard AND use to generate more wealth for themselves (and plenty of others).
The federal poverty level for a family of 4 is more than the average income of 160 countries, all but about 30. It sounds like those rich people are generating lots of wealth for the rest of us too. (And if our little guys struggle to meet expenses, those other countries' little guys are already dead of starvation.
As human labor becomes more obsolete, the rich will own the robots that replaced the workers who will find it harder and harder to even make a livings. The gains in productivity due to technology have been captured almost entirely by employers, while employees haven’t benefited much at all. This is not a sustainable situation.
Isn't that what the Luddites said about the looms?
Let's talk about something fun: with progress in robotics comes progress in other areas. Like fusion power. We're "supposed" to get it within 50 years. Poverty will basically end.
We'll have virtually unlimited virtually free power. The average American's energy need for a year can be met with a gram of fuel - 350 tons a year for every American. Hydrogen or deuterium.
We can grow food on all the tundra because we can heat the tundra with our almost unlimited power. We can grow food in the deserts because we can ship desalinated water from the nearest ocean that we desalinated with our almost unlimited power. No droughts, no famines.
We will have almost free fossil fuels because we can use our almost unlimited power to combine carbon dioxide with dihydrogen monoxide. No one will care about the oil in the Middle East or anywhere else. (Or the gold or anything else for that matter - we can make any element in almost unlimited quantities with our almost unlimited power.) And it'll be carbon-neutral earth-friendly fossil fuel. (Such a fun concept.)
And AI. And a doubled human lifespan. Real colonization of space.
The glass is half-full my friend.
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