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Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears 1
#26089605 - 07/04/19 09:06 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Before I start I would like to say, I have not extracted any psilocybin or made any gummies yet. It is just a very fascinating idea to me.
Right so here we go, my plan was:
First extract psilocybin into a stable and dry form of crystals. By the ETHANOL TEK. Then get the dosages right (figuring out how much psilocybin I even have in the crystals). Then making my jello mix let it cool (down to 40-60C, to be safe) and then taking said dry form of crystallized psilocybin and adding it into my jello mix. Mix it up and pour it into my molds.
Plausible? Where did I fail? What did I miss?
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Edited by HoneyBadger9321 (07/04/19 09:08 AM)
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: HoneyBadger9321] 6
#26089916 - 07/04/19 11:22 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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You would probably be better off making a tea then reduce it and add to a gummy mix
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: SFS96] 4
#26090207 - 07/04/19 02:41 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I could be wrong, but I believe it's been established you can't crystalize that way. You're only getting salts or something. In addition, psilocybin actually extracts better with water than ethanol. So the reduced tea suggestion is the way to go.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: vertygo] 2
#26090896 - 07/05/19 01:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that methanol works better than ethanol
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: vinnie boombotz] 2
#26091127 - 07/05/19 07:51 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never seen or heard of someone successfully making crystals from an extraction on magic mushrooms.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: SFS96] 1
#26091157 - 07/05/19 08:24 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was thinking of making a tea solution. I just always thought that if you put magic mushrooms in boiling water you would damage some of the psilocybin. Can anyone confirm this.
I think psilocybin starts breaking down at 60-80C if my memorie serves me right.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: HoneyBadger9321] 1
#26091164 - 07/05/19 08:31 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Boiling water absolutely wont hurt the actives lol. The melting point of the actives are above 300F
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#26091373 - 07/05/19 11:11 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's true. And why muck about with harmful chemicals when you could use... water.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: vertygo] 1
#26091699 - 07/05/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well like I said, I dont know any better. Ive read somewhere (not official source) that psilocybin will break down at a certian temp., but I guess what info was wrong. Thx guys ill try doing it this way.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: HoneyBadger9321] 1
#26091747 - 07/05/19 02:54 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would follow such tek to extract psylocybin from mushrooms:
- Grind mushrooms to dust
- Put dust in hot water.
- Filter it through Büchner's funnel
- Evaporate water under vacuum
- Dissolve residue in methanol
- Pour methanol to another vessel
- Dispose residue (psylocybin is dissolved in methanol)
- Evaporate methanol under vacuum
- Wash residue with benzene
- Wash residue with chlorophorm
Residue that remains at the end should be pretty high in psylocybin. I based it on informations from PubChem that psylocybin is highly soluble in water and methanol, but insoluble in benzene and chlorophorm
Similar teks work for extracting certain alkaloids from leaves, so it should work with psylocybin.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: FiatFirmamentum] 3
#26094165 - 07/07/19 03:53 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow
why would you fuck with expensive and hazardous chems when water will do a splendid job?
I mean it's a nice theoretical discussion, but in real life...
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: SingularFusion] 2
#26094942 - 07/07/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nef said:why would you fuck with expensive and hazardous chems when water will do a splendid job?
OP said that he want to "extract psilocybin into a stable and dry form of crystals".
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: FiatFirmamentum] 1
#26097006 - 07/08/19 09:19 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ethanol doesn't work at all.
Flat's idea would definitely work the best. But remember when you reduce psilocybin like that by the time your washing it with benzene and chloroform you're already oxidizing it majorly and losing potency. It's very, very hard to stabilize and thats why must be done under vacuum conditions. Id like to try your method Flat.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: Typerwritermonky] 1
#26100184 - 07/10/19 12:03 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah pure crystals of it are pretty damn hard to make without a proper lab IME I can tell you, and simply unnecessary for all practical purposes i can think of. Yes I'm pretty sure Hofmann wrote in research that methanol works best followed by acidic water and ethanol. Also it doesn't matter that methanol has toxicity (tho you can actually technically drink several ml of it each day and stay below the toxicity level...) because you evaporate everything in the process. Same for the non-polar solvents in fiat's method, although benzene you might as well replace with an aliphatic solvent that isn't so carcinogenic. Naphtha seems fine. And the benzene / naphtha is obviously cannot be substituted with water, even if methanol can.
But for dissolving small amounts of product and evapping quicker and cleanly, usually other solvents than water are used in chemistry in my experience. Maybe that's a habit but water is often more messy.
When i extracted, I got a honey-like sticky amber solid. There are a lot of simple and complex sugars present in mushrooms, it's what their tissue is made of. Also proteins seem to be in the extract. And it didn't seem so easy to separate by regular means and is usually done with chromatography. That kinds of amounts of sugars wouldn't really be present in leaves alkaloids are extracted from...
Maybe it's possible to do fractional crystallization but I have not tried.
The only point of the extraction to make gummy bears or whatever your carrier of choice, would be to reduce the volume of material to incorporate in the gummy bear recipe effectively, and maybe not have it affect the taste too much. Not really an issue if your impurities are sugars and a couple proteins?
When i tried the extraction it was for sport, to try and get crystalline alkaloids. But I guess also that purified compounds are more stable to store, when in unprocessed form. (Making gummy bears it wouldn't be pure anyway).
Maybe it's ok to add ascorbic acid when working with the alkaloids, to protect them. AFAIK it also reverses oxidation in aqueous solution.. but yeah you could only add it after the steps that would otherwise wash it out. And i guess you'd better make sour patches lol.
Edited by Solipsis (07/10/19 12:20 PM)
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: Solipsis] 1
#26126910 - 08/08/19 12:51 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tried a few times with extraction. Everclear was used on 10g's dry powdered by a mini shredder and used about 40ML, shook waited 10min, strained through cheesecloth into a small mason jar and heated on the stove on top of a rag in a pan of water. Took about 4hrs to get it all evapped. Boiling point of psilo is really high(900's), so im hoping it doesnt float off in the air but was left with a few clear crystals which i dont believe were anything. However I did another 8g wash and also intervals of 24hrs and increasing filtering the contents and putting the liquid back into the mash to refilter. So I evapped all that and I am left with a hash like clumping powder, smells super mushroomy, almost a powder when dry but clumps up. Smoked it, tasted horrid, it was odd the feeling of it didnt last long 20min maybe, focus was effected and felt really loose. I think its just easier to eat them as I believe a real extraction is to difficult due to the boiling point of psilo and the solvent's used. Rault's law can be used in liquids and may be of interest to someone with greater knowledge. One trying a extraction should have Elrichs reagent on hand to test the final product to confirm.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: HoneyBadger9321] 1
#26128619 - 08/09/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Paul Stamets the one who said psilocybin if one of few compounds capable of ice water extraction. As he explained you take your dose of fresh mushrooms that you choose to work with depending on your needs e.g the size of the batch chop them up and put them in contact with ice cubes and putting them in the fridge to let the ice cubes slowly melt and what you will essentially have if "blue juice" as Paul called it which can then easily e mixed into a gummy ear solution and left to solidify or make some ice cubes for the summer, if you like. Unfortunately the mushrooms has to be fresh for this to work.
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: JanBlom] 1
#26129458 - 08/10/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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JanBlom said: Well correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Paul Stamets the one who said psilocybin if one of few compounds capable of ice water extraction. As he explained you take your dose of fresh mushrooms that you choose to work with depending on your needs e.g the size of the batch chop them up and put them in contact with ice cubes and putting them in the fridge to let the ice cubes slowly melt and what you will essentially have if "blue juice" as Paul called it which can then easily e mixed into a gummy ear solution and left to solidify or make some ice cubes for the summer, if you like. Unfortunately the mushrooms has to be fresh for this to work.
I'll give this a try when have more fruits avail., and post a pic of the solution after ice melts. I'm more ok with drinking this as opposed to everclear...
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: K3yBoardC0WBoy] 2
#26130073 - 08/10/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilocybin is water soluble. No need for other solvents. Has anyone made jello? RR
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#26130727 - 08/11/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Extracting Psilocybin and Making Gummy Bears [Re: K3yBoardC0WBoy] 1
#26175836 - 09/08/19 12:12 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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K3yBoardC0WBoy said:
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JanBlom said: Well correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Paul Stamets the one who said psilocybin if one of few compounds capable of ice water extraction. As he explained you take your dose of fresh mushrooms that you choose to work with depending on your needs e.g the size of the batch chop them up and put them in contact with ice cubes and putting them in the fridge to let the ice cubes slowly melt and what you will essentially have if "blue juice" as Paul called it which can then easily e mixed into a gummy ear solution and left to solidify or make some ice cubes for the summer, if you like. Unfortunately the mushrooms has to be fresh for this to work.
I'll give this a try when have more fruits avail., and post a pic of the solution after ice melts. I'm more ok with drinking this as opposed to everclear...
Tried this based on hearing him say this in one of his talks available on youtube. Let it "brew" for ~1 week in the fridge with ice cubes... drank the entire thing and nothing happened. Keeping it in the fridge could have slowed down the extraction or something else. I always keep coming back to boiling water + shrooms + reducing = winning, small volumes of potent liquid magic.
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