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Jedi-Leroy
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2 Weeks in (First time) Updated to week 4 2
#26080997 - 06/29/19 02:00 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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^Title.
Inoculation 2 weeks tomorrow morning. 10 ml into 4x 1 pint jar (couldn't find a good price for half at the time, I have half pints in now I am just delaying the next wave as I learn a little.)
Ordered Micro(s)pore tape as per instruction, received the wrong type, it didn't survive PC but the show must go on. Jar seems to have held up, real micropore in stock now.
Note the dark flecks on jar 3 and 4 (right side), pretty sure that's verm, it has a silvery light brown sheen in the right lighting, these shots were all from the phones flash so it isn't the best photography.

Thinking of setting up one jar as a mono/bulk or whatsitcalled(?), since they all seem to be going well, not sure yet, got enough boxes and another week or two to decide.
The first week, jars 3 and 4 (the right most) had the strongest colony, I had allowed myself to handle those alone, didn't even look at 1 or 2 beyond a minor glance but I could tell they were a bit slower to the mark. Second week, 3 and 4 had a nice band around the bottom section, linked up and started spreading upwards, a few days ago jar 1 and 2 started catching up, all of them had a kind of cone pattern from inoculation points, was fun to see.
Anyway, I did have some concern about the color of the bottom of the jar, but it seems common for a pint jar to have the moisture sit at the bottom, no bad smells and it is an even layer, and not sporadicly appearing throughout, ruling out the idea of infection, feel free to suspect otherwise but I would doubt anything besides excess moisture at the moment, time will tell.
Would have had a running picture diary but I was trying to avoid obsessing too much, first time etc etc.
Thanks for all the info, it got me this far, still plenty of time for me to drop the jar. Thoughts, comments or suggestions?
Edited by Jedi-Leroy (07/14/19 04:29 AM)
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Jedi-Leroy]
#26081029 - 06/29/19 02:20 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I’m a first timer myself and think it’s better to keep detailed records when you start so you know how to improve for the future - look forward to following your grow
Edited by sophocles (07/03/19 11:32 AM)
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: sophocles]
#26081150 - 06/29/19 03:59 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice work. These pint jars are gonna produce some fruits 
They look almost done, pretty soon you will see some pre-pinning going on then you gotta birth em. Also sounds like you wanna make a Shoebox with one? If so, check out the Shoebox Tek.
Congrats on the scaled-up grow
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Jedi-Leroy
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Comparing week one to pictures and descriptions of people week 2, they were very similar (almost kicking myself for not getting photos sooner but I was really trying not to coddle them too much, seems daft now), I had figured I should be consolidating this week and dunk and roll next week, just pooped a little at the thought of messing that part up, getting them out of the jar might not be as easy as a half pint lol, maybe if I accidentally scramble one I automatically default to shoebox, I should probably prep some coco coir and play it by ear.
Thanks btw, I will still hold off celebrating till finished, I was a little hesitant with the pints, but I had a rather dense clump of spores in my solution, I should put it's success down to that.
Hopefully the next update isn't "I done goof'd", might throw up pictures for advice if im not certain my jars are ready to take a dip, but I'm pretty confident they will be ready.
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Jedi-Leroy]
#26088022 - 07/03/19 11:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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any updates on your project? i'm just 10 days in and showing some promising signs. originally i was going to go with verm, but went with wheat berries (soft white winter wheat for most, and red winter for some as an experiment... which is a way of saying i didn't get enough white wheat berries before i needed to inoculate and found myself going to the grocery store at 2 am so that i had time to soak it before i planned to inoculate the next day.
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: sophocles]
#26093420 - 07/06/19 04:06 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pics later, phone low battery.
Description: All the jars are covered across most of the side, I think the patches at the bottom are caused by the cake being too compressed from gravity, but otherwise they look good (hazard of 1pt jar).
The slowest starter had some of the strongest development this week, was a huge difference in appearance and has most of the bottom of the jar colonised too.
Pics would tell better, though i'm apprehensive of trying to shoot the bottom of each jar without dropping it lol.
I am at a point where I am not sure if it is 100% colonised, though I am eager to find out, and pretty happy with them so far.
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Jedi-Leroy]
#26093464 - 07/06/19 04:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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My pics get scrambled from random names so some of them are hard to tell which jar they came from. However...
Clearly Jar one! look at that beauty go.
Don't worry, I didn't flip her upside down, just didnt tick the right box.
The next set are hard to identify from the bottoms besides Jar 3 with the biggest "bald patch"



Close shot of 3's bald spot.

The sides


Note: They smell REALLY good. Almost overpowering, but not unpleasant. I have smelled rotten mush before, not fun, no alarm here.
Bonus pic

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So, yeah. Jar 3 was one of the strongest starters, had the first full band of connection around the radius, I am not sure if it can squeeze into the compressed cake though.
Question, would I be ok to dunk and roll if the jar keeps that bald spot whilst the rest are ready? I am so eager to go I would chuck them in water tomorrow if someone told me to, lol.
Best I can tell, the top section is pretty much ready to roll, just that little bit on the bottom holding things up. I was expecting 100% this week and dunk next. But I'd like to know what people think of their current state.
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Jedi-Leroy]
#26096175 - 07/08/19 01:19 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Today the bottom of jar 1 is around 1 inch by 1 cm left untill 100%, the rest seem unchanged on their bottom.
I am thinking of grinding up 2 of them, one jar to jar(s), and another to bulk. This way I get to have 2 cakes within the month, and expand my project simultaneously.
(no picture right now as the site seems to be struggling).
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Jedi-Leroy]
#26096233 - 07/08/19 02:11 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good work
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Some notes whilst I have a minute:
I had a bit of google to find similar cases, people reported benefits from flipping the jar, since a pint has several unfavourable conditions including what I first suspected as too much pressure on the cake, as well as a CO2 buildup and moisture locked to the bottom.
TL;DR I flipped 2 jars.
Jar 1 is 100% today, jar 2 was also 2nd most developed so remained upright.
Jar 3 was flipped 2 days ago with improved visual condition nearly within the first 4 hours, starting with a little fuzzy blip of activity followed by stringy connection of tissue by the next 24 hours, seeing this I gave jar 4 a flip more for the sake of experiment, both have surpassed jar 2 now, and I have no concern about contams as they look very healthy.
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Jedi-Leroy]
#26107147 - 07/14/19 04:29 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jar 4 has a big ol pin growing from the bottom (after flipping).
I just did a little poop, I wasn't expecting it but I should have been, since moisture is evaporating from the bottom, I hadn't gave them a good inspection for a few days. It is coming through the dry layer and up the side.
Dunk, smash it up and mix with coir, or straight to SGFC? the top hasn't 100% covered yet, pics impending. Give it a little chew?
Hard to see in my crappy shots: Myc coverage is blotchy patches with some long growth reaching out to the side of glass, and thin streaks of uneaten cake between. ______________________________________________________ Side of 3

Top of 3
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It is in my understanding I can shoebox without full consolidation, hard to tell from conflicting opinions, rather the reason why I wouldn't want to SGFC is too much food left in spawn, where coco would allow the myc to develop quicker than a contam.
I am concerned as I hear pins in jars is a warning sign of contam, though, I would like to consider it more of a sign of developed myc + fruiting conditions, ease my mind?
Edited by Jedi-Leroy (07/14/19 05:36 AM)
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Jedi-Leroy]
#26107197 - 07/14/19 05:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jedi-Leroy said:
I just did a little poop, I wasn't expecting it but I should have been, since moisture is evaporating from the bottom, I hadn't gave them a good inspection for a few days. It is coming through the dry layer and up the side.
?? Huh ?? Lol
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Jedi-Leroy said:
Dunk, smash it up and mix with coir, or straight to SGFC? the top hasn't 100% covered yet, pics impending. Give it a little chew?
From the pics, your myc looks healthy, and no obvious sign of contams. However, since youre doing MS grows using the PF Tek, id probably advise against putting them to bulk in a monotub, and instead birth, dunk, and fruit in an SGFC.
Also, i believe you said you have 4 jars correct? Sounds like youre already pretty stoked on the hobby so i may suggest taking your 2 best looking and performing jars, breaking them up and transfering them to uncolonized PF substrate, expanding them almost as you would a master jar. Theres one really good tek out there for this, which is super easy, but cant find it currently. (Ill try to post again here tmrw when i have more time).
With the 2 remaining jars id birth, dunk, and fruit in a small SGFC, that way you can control RH better. From those fruits, make prints and transition to agar, which will make everything so much easier down the road.
I feel like by doing this you expand your spawn, which will give plenty of fruits in the near future and also set you up for continued success and fruits in the longterm.
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Re: 2 Weeks in (First time) [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
#26107226 - 07/14/19 05:58 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, fascinating study. Jar 1 is 100% as of a few days ago, 2 is progressing a little slower but never stalled, 3 and 4 pictured above were flipped as they stalled at the bottom (proved successful).
Which ever step I take next I am prepared, however choosing that step was looking a bit vague, which I can thank you for helping to clarify.
Whilst I was also considering jar to jar, can I note I put it lower on my list of options as I have extra spore samples already? I have the time and resources to experiment a lot. In fact I was intent on a fresh batch soon from step 1, except this time I have real half pint jars ready to go.
With this in mind, would you still advise against spawning to coir in a shoe box? I find myself wanting to do so for poops and giggles. Was never attached to the result, more the process and observation.
___________EDIT: Couple more thoughts____________
SGFC Prepped, cracked the bastard on the bottom a few times, more FAE for me, Switched to a smaller bit and did pilot holes first, planned to do that anyway and forgot, oops. Minor problem.
Coir prepped for practice yesterday, not knowing if I would use it, way over FC but I have plans how to fix it, squeeze the crap out of it and considering a little heat in oven for good measure. I had no bucket so I used a shoebox, threw hot water and coir, wrapped in a towel and placed in an insulated bag, a bit ghetto but was still warm 4 hours later. Again for clarity, this was practice, if I use it or not.
I think I am going to put jar 1 and 3 into SGFC, maybe jar 2; I will wait for a bit for consolidation as 2 3 and 4 are not 100%. To be honest I wanted to crack jar 3 open today when I saw the pin, and spawn to coir, still time for me to decide. Either way looks like tonight is PC night.
A bit concerned with the uneaten cake and recon using part of them to transfer into new jars under sterile conditions would be wise, and using the good portion in a shoebox would be productive.
_________Edit again!: Closer look__________
Ok, so turns out, jars 1 and 2 also bear fruit, jar 1 has mostly colonised the damn dry verm layer, 1 and 2 both display the bottom of a fruit, as the top has disappeared into the darkness within the lid.
They are telling me they are ready, but I am still apprehensive, I don't want to birth them into an infection caused by rushing.
Edited by Jedi-Leroy (07/14/19 09:41 AM)
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