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Is substrate drying out?
    #26080204 - 06/29/19 01:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

It's been two days that my tub has shown pins and this happened after two weeks.
Sub does get enough FAE but it seems to me that it's drying out and that's why it has pinned so late and pins haven't been growing since.
I did the field capacity right when I started.
Sub is Coir and Verm, I haven't dunked them or misted though.
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Can anyone help me on this?
is there a way I can get them to fruit properly?


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: gre123]
    #26080349 - 06/29/19 06:19 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

There appears to be some yellow coloration, is that due to shadow on the tub?

It doesn't appear dry to me. A proper monotub shouldn't need any misting on the first flush. There appears to be condensation on the walls and some glistening on the surface. Just give it some more time.


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: SadTurkey]
    #26080781 - 06/29/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

did you put gypsum in the substrate?
do you have a humidity gage?
are you getting enough light?
fanning it out?
did you layer bulk with spawn?


Edited by bizbizbiz (06/29/19 11:23 AM)


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: bizbizbiz]
    #26080785 - 06/29/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

the tub looks fine. it does not look too dry.  You started pinning.
Monotubs can be set and forget but you can certainly fan and mist. Mushrooms love fresh air and humidity.


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: SadTurkey]
    #26081057 - 06/29/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

the yellowing of the sides are probably from metabolites but the shade you see at the center is from the shadow. the condensation and glistening is because of the recent mist and water pouring lol (cuz i thought it was going dry as it has shrunk from the sides a bit. It's been 17-18 days already since spawning to FC. ai hope more time could help it.


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: SadTurkey]
    #26081061 - 06/29/19 02:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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There appears to be some yellow coloration, is that due to shadow on the tub?

It doesn't appear dry to me. A proper monotub shouldn't need any misting on the first flush. There appears to be condensation on the walls and some glistening on the surface. Just give it some more time.




If you open up a tub enough to allow fruits to properly develop the surface will certainly dry out a bit, even on the first flush for me. I suppose you don't need to for its survival but I feel it is ideal to keep a nice coat of sparkles across the surface throughout the cycle. I've never had a tub that didn't need misting to maintain that


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: bizbizbiz]
    #26081074 - 06/29/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

no gypsum in the substrate.
i dont have a gage but i live in a humid area and ive already grown once prior to this tub with no problems. but i dunked the previous time, I didnt with this one.
my room has proper light from the lights which are turned off at 2 or 3 am, and then theres light again during the day.
Ive been fanning it out a 6-7 hours a day for a week now. and its been 3 days since i loosened the polly for more FAE.
it was 18 days ago i added the spawn +sterilized coir and verm mix, then mixed them together in the tub.
i put it in a plastic bag for 3 days then after that i put into fruiting conditions.


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #26081075 - 06/29/19 03:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think fanning does anything helpful for a monotub. Just adjust the tape or poly and save your energy. Proper misting is crucial, if its not drying up fast enough loosen up the poly, if its not holding moisture long enough than tighten it up. In my experience adjusting it so that one needs to mist once or twice a day is ideal. That is gauged by the coat of water droplets on the surface. Check the proper surface moisture thread by comebackkid for more discussion on that. When the fruits are larger than an inch or 2 I open it up more than that and mist 3 times a day until the flush is done. If your schedule doesn't permit it than leave it where you only need to mist it once or twice daily


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: bw86]
    #26081078 - 06/29/19 03:05 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

really?? thats great! i hope theyre fine, they certainly do smell fine but then again no fruits for 18 days and sub has shrinked from the sides a bit which makes me worry. thanks for ur reply ! i hope its as u say.
oh and btw i started pinning some 3 days ago, the pins havent grown from then.


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #26081086 - 06/29/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

oh i thought since its summer and hot here, that fanning could perhaps cool down the temp of the tub a bit and help with increasing FAE cuz when i do that i definitely see that the tub isnt condensed compared to before fanning which the drops gather on the walls.
i loosened up the polly but i think its drying maybe cuz of the shrinking from sides of the sub.
so with that in mind i misted and poured some water on the sides.
i hope i havent done anything silly :frown:.
Ohh thanks i really do have to gather information  on the surface moisture thingy.
oh i heard that it slows down the process a bit or causes aborts, since uve experimented on this.
is it true? does it hinder the process in anyway?


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: gre123]
    #26081151 - 06/29/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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really?? thats great! i hope theyre fine, they certainly do smell fine but then again no fruits for 18 days and sub has shrinked from the sides a bit which makes me worry. thanks for ur reply ! i hope its as u say.
oh and btw i started pinning some 3 days ago, the pins havent grown from then.




Sometimes pins move really slow. Different strains vary


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #26081166 - 06/29/19 04:10 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

the strain is golden teacher.
maybe the Golden teacher strains vary too?
i dnnoo but its really slo compared to my previous grow


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: gre123]
    #26081174 - 06/29/19 04:14 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

The variety is golden teacher, the strain is one genetic possibility out of many genetic possibilities within the variety of golden teacher. No variety is more prone to this or that. If your previous grow was with multispore because that will always vary too. Only isolates are consistent


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #26081182 - 06/29/19 04:19 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

the grows were mycelium transferred from agar culture for both grows


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: gre123]
    #26081189 - 06/29/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That doesn't tell us much. Could be multispore or an isolate. Judging from your dialogue though I'm sure its multispore. Every tub will be different.


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #26081217 - 06/29/19 04:39 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

oh i remember the person sending it saying it's a modified strain 5 generations and that its an isolate if that makes sense ?


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: gre123]
    #26081233 - 06/29/19 04:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

If it's an isolate then it shouldn't be pinning much differently. You have other problems


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #26081991 - 06/30/19 05:35 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I honestly would advise you to leave it alone for a week. Maybe not even look at it. You'll be fine.

A common newbie trap is to overly helicopter-parent a monotub. Monotubs are largely set and forget by design.


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: SadTurkey]
    #26082000 - 06/30/19 05:43 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Monotubs are not set and forget, the surface will dry out. Certainly don't overmist it but if the surface dries out and you don't mist it you will kill the substrate


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Re: Is substrate drying out? [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #26082058 - 06/30/19 07:23 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

To reiterate: the first flush should require little to no misting. If it does, you're either living in a desert or you should reduce air flow.

That's not to say you can't keep the air flow high and mist to compensate the loss of water on the first flush, but it's not going to make your shrooms grow faster or better. They only need so much oxygen, just like us.

New people tend to overmist, so it's good to err a bit on the dry side rather on the wet side. A slightly dry substrate will diminish yields, but a slightly wet substrate is prone to aborts and contaminations.


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