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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26096095 - 07/08/19 12:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I know less about shotguns than any other firearms really.  I think the one I fired this past year was a Mossberg 500 or something, I will find out from my buddy later which model.


If I were to own a shotgun though, these saigas look awesome, especially because they have magazines, just looks like an AK variant that fires shells, cool.  I wonder about the reliability of these drum magazines though




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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: PreparationH]
    #26096105 - 07/08/19 12:37 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Whats good about shotguns is that they are rarely used in mass school and public shootings because they have such short range. So military-style shotguns are OK with me.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26096145 - 07/08/19 01:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

His shotgun is a Winchester SXP.

Most mass shootings outside of Vegas aren't done at long range though anyway, probably a good thing they use AR15's, a shotgun may be much more devastating.  I think the AR is just used so much now because it's like the honda civic of firearms :shrug:  I try to avoid gun free zones now.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: PreparationH]
    #26096188 - 07/08/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: PreparationH]
    #26096193 - 07/08/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Most mass shootings outside of Vegas aren't done at long range though anyway, probably a good thing they use AR15's, a shotgun may be much more devastating.



 
It’s used because it’s the lightest most effective efficient killing platform that allows you to carry the most bullets we have available . A 223 round can take your arm off at close range .  Pretending it’s just another gun is retarded .  It’s designed the way it is for efficient killing. It’s a military weapon... it’s not really worth a fuck for hunting  and is too much for home defense . If you do use it for home defense remember to wear earplugs , shit will make you go deaf firing it indoors .

A 223 round travels at 3200 FPS , one of the reasons Sandy Hook was so traumatizing for the people picking up the bodies is because it will leave an exit wound the size of a 6 year olds body . Some of those little kids got turned inside out .


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: PreparationH]
    #26096199 - 07/08/19 01:35 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I'm guessing it has to do with no one knowing who the fuck he is. Do you imagine dem voters are all salivating over this issue as fanatically as you? It hardly even registered in either debate to non gun fetishists.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: twighead]
    #26096206 - 07/08/19 01:44 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Most mass shootings outside of Vegas aren't done at long range though anyway, probably a good thing they use AR15's, a shotgun may be much more devastating.



 
It’s used because it’s the lightest most effective efficient killing platform that allows you to carry the most bullets we have available . A 223 round can take your arm off at close range .  Pretending it’s just another gun is retarded .  It’s designed the way it is for efficient killing. It’s a military weapon... it’s not really worth a fuck for hunting  and is too much for home defense . If you do use it for home defense remember to wear earplugs , shit will make you go deaf firing it indoors .

A 223 round travels at 3200 FPS , one of the reasons Sandy Hook was so traumatizing for the people picking up the bodies is because it will leave an exit wound the size of a 6 year olds body . Some of those little kids got turned inside out .





I have never EVER heard of an extremity getting taken off by a .223 round, can you show proof of this claim?

What military carries AR15's if it's a military weapon?(None)



Many cartridges are deadlier than the .223

Firing any firearm without hearing protection can cause permanent damage :shrug:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #26096256 - 07/08/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

the real problem is gov having more guns than its citizens, how tf are people supposed to rise up against a tyranical gov in this situation?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #26096270 - 07/08/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe if the NRA people and the trillion dollar defense budget military dick suckers weren’t the same people.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26096290 - 07/08/19 02:55 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I am not involved with the NRA but I know Cox is gone, next they need to boot Wayne and maybe shit will turn around there.  These other rights groups like Gun Owners of America are gaining the bleeding NRA supporters though which from what I have seen, I think the GOA is a better organization more in line with my views.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #26096530 - 07/08/19 05:13 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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His shotgun is a Winchester SXP.

Most mass shootings outside of Vegas aren't done at long range though anyway, probably a good thing they use AR15's, a shotgun may be much more devastating.  I think the AR is just used so much now because it's like the honda civic of firearms :shrug:  I try to avoid gun free zones now.




Energy = Mass x Velocity^2

High powered rifles are much more devastating to the body. I would bet shot almost never penetrates very deep into the body and the mass is spread out over a large area.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: koods]
    #26096542 - 07/08/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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His shotgun is a Winchester SXP.

Most mass shootings outside of Vegas aren't done at long range though anyway, probably a good thing they use AR15's, a shotgun may be much more devastating.  I think the AR is just used so much now because it's like the honda civic of firearms :shrug:  I try to avoid gun free zones now.




Energy = Mass x Velocity^2

High powered rifles are much more devastating to the body. I would bet shot almost never penetrates very deep into the body and the mass is spread out over a large area.





Not exactly.  My Dad was drafted and served from '65 - '67.  He said M16 rounds then (which were high velocity) would have issues being deflected by small branches and twigs, stuff like that.

It's a trade-off between lighter ammo load being humped around and a fat round that does some damage...but weighs more.  Like anything else, to gain in one area, you lose in another.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26096561 - 07/08/19 05:30 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Doctor explains why high velocity projectiles are so much more deadly

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/

Go back to the energy formula above to understand why the speed of the bullet is more important than the mass.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: koods]
    #26096703 - 07/08/19 06:45 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

A high speed projectile is not as likely to shoot through several people has a big ole magnum round.  .357 and .45 are some dangerous weapons.  Like I said, a smaller but faster projectile will not fly strait through objects like people.

It also matters if there is a suppressor involved.  You cannot shoot super sonic rounds through a suppressor.  You need subsonic ammunition, even if it's a .50 cal.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: PreparationH]
    #26097022 - 07/08/19 09:26 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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I dunno anyone that owns Remington anything in my age group.  Why would you?  Rather buy a sick Smith and Wesson AR-15 any day over some old timey Remington shotgun.





You should say a quick apology and thank you to Remington...if not for the Remington .222 round, Bob Hutton & Gene Stoner's .223 chambered Armalite AR-15 combat rifle might have only beem a short blip on the firearms timeline.  And Remington being the first to chamber sporting rifles in .223/5.56 didn't hurt either.

If not for the popularity and success of the Remington .222 which dominated shooting matches immediately after being introduced, your beloved AR possibly never develops in the way it has in just the last 15-25 years of it's ~62 year life.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26097048 - 07/08/19 09:44 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Your father's is an A1, fully automatic. The A2 I used has a three round burst. The change came as a result of the spray and pray (depletion of ammunition) on the A1. 
Your father's account of ricochet makes sense given the fully automatic feature.

The 5.56 round is a NATO round bathing  in myth. I have heard conflicting accounts as the impetus of its design.  Some say the round was developed to injure,  and not kill a target with the logic that an injured combatant uses up an opponent's resources more than a dead one. That being said, I have seen someone shot in the hip with an  exit at the side of the neck. As already stated, high velocity.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: koods]
    #26097066 - 07/08/19 09:53 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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His shotgun is a Winchester SXP.

Most mass shootings outside of Vegas aren't done at long range though anyway, probably a good thing they use AR15's, a shotgun may be much more devastating.  I think the AR is just used so much now because it's like the honda civic of firearms :shrug:  I try to avoid gun free zones now.




Energy = Mass x Velocity^2

High powered rifles are much more devastating to the body. I would bet shot almost never penetrates very deep into the body and the mass is spread out over a large area.




Simple physics. Faster bullets are more lethal, even if they are small. Its why stray nuts and bolts hardware in space is so dangerous to the International Space Station.  The AR5 is based on the Military's M16, one of the most deadly full-auto weapons ever created. It was made  specifically for Murder.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26097084 - 07/08/19 10:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

All M16s today are not full auto. ARs are of course the same.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26097087 - 07/08/19 10:04 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Kind of makes a good case to prefer the AR platform and not a shotgun :strokebeard:

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26097092 - 07/08/19 10:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Are full-auto M16's today more rare? I heard that AR-15 can be made full-auto with a couple parts. Is that true?

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