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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26791911 - 06/29/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I will always love the fact that other countries hate us for guns. Thats okay because because we have more rights than they do. Let em be mad.:lol:

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 2
    #26791918 - 06/29/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think you are making things up when you say "other countries hate us for guns."


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26791947 - 06/29/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I just sense that they look down on us for our second amendment is all.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26791954 - 06/29/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They look down on us for a lot of things.  America has culturally become the douche frat dick of the world.  I don't think it's the 2nd Amendment as much as it's the way that people use it to act like fucking uncivilized idiots.  American exceptionalism has left the world with the misconception that every American thinks we're better than the rest of the world.  Unfortunately, a lot of Americans literally do believe that.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26791987 - 06/29/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you are making things up when you say "other countries hate us for guns




I haven’t met anyone that hates us but I have met allot of people in other countries that are extremely perplexed by the situation . They don’t understand why we need so many guns .
  My wife got a free gun from her employer a few months ago for  a 10 year gift . Shit like that doesn’t happen where they live .


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26792002 - 06/29/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you are making things up when you say "other countries hate us for guns."




They disapprove

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They look down on us for a lot of things.  America has culturally become the douche frat dick of the world.  I don't think it's the 2nd Amendment as much as it's the way that people use it to act like fucking uncivilized idiots.  American exceptionalism has left the world with the misconception that every American thinks we're better than the rest of the world.  Unfortunately, a lot of Americans literally do believe that.




We are kind of better than the rest of the world when it comes to having rights and being free. No denying that. Not saying some Americans aren't obnoxious we definitely are a spoiled bunch.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26792025 - 06/29/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Which countries have formally disagreed with our 2nd amendment rights? I don't think they have any bearing on our domestic policies, or very little anyways.

Which rights make us more free than other countries? Obviously you think owning a gun is one, but what others are there?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 2
    #26792081 - 06/29/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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We are kind of better than the rest of the world when it comes to having rights and being free. No denying that.



I think you're wrong here.  This is a very debatable position.  We are ahead of most of the world in terms of speech.  Whether we are ahead of most of the first world in terms of freedom overall is not clear at all.  We incarcerate the highest percentage of our population.  I don't see how that's consistent with us being the more free than other nations.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26792094 - 06/29/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Also, I'm not free to travel to certain countries (like Cuba), I'm not free to have 30+ days of paid leave per year (as many countries do), I'm not free to not have to worry about my healthcare, etc.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26792099 - 06/29/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You're free to have as many days of paid leave as you can negotiate with your employer.  You're free to not worry about anything.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26792117 - 06/29/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone is free to try to get 30 days of paid vacation, but few will succeed.

You say I'm free not to worry about getting a curable disease that I can't afford to cure?  How kind of you.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26792177 - 06/29/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Worry is harmful, dude.  Both of your examples aren't freedom issues.  You being free to take 30 days off with pay means someone else isn't free to negotiate a different deal.  Your freedom to healthcare means someone else isn't free not to take care of you.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26792210 - 06/29/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Worry is harmful, dude.  Both of your examples aren't freedom issues.  You being free to take 30 days off with pay means someone else isn't free to negotiate a different deal.  Your freedom to healthcare means someone else isn't free not to take care of you.




Freedom is such a stupid nebulous word it shouldn’t even be used in political discussion.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792230 - 06/29/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think you're right about the first part.  I'm not sure that it has absolutely no place in political discussion...I just think it has nowhere near the place it currently has.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26792233 - 06/29/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think Enlil believes corporations = people.  :shrug:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26792242 - 06/29/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Corporations are groups of people, yes.  Similar to Black Lives Matter, actually.  A group of people come together to do something under a common name. 

Do you disagree?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26792246 - 06/29/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Of course they can, but I don't think corporations and individuals should have the same rights.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26792249 - 06/29/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They don't have the same rights.  I don't see how that has anything to do with our discussion, however.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26792264 - 06/29/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Because corporations having to provide 30 days of paid leave isn't the same as individuals being entitled to 30 day of paid leave.  And corporations having to treat sick people isn't the same and individuals being entitled to free treatment.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26792285 - 06/29/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you're right about the first part.  I'm not sure that it has absolutely no place in political discussion...I just think it has nowhere near the place it currently has.




Maybe.

Anyone can make a political argument for or against anything and center it around the notion of freedom. It’s asinine.

Ask 10 random people what freedom means and you’ll get 11 different answers. It’s a shallow appeal to emotion, and our dumbass society laps it up.


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