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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26652606 - 05/06/20 09:45 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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There’s nothing stopping you from building your own site/app/platform to express your conservative views, though.



Except money, know-how, time, getting people to find out about your site, etc...


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26652616 - 05/06/20 09:52 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Well, then go to a site that will allow your particular speech.  If you can't find one, maybe your speech is wildly unpopular anyway.  :shrug:

Seriously, though, you can start a website for basically no money.  You can learn how at any local library.  If you're willing to do the work, you can help people find your site.  The right to free speech isn't the right to have other people make it easy for you to distribute your speech.

I remember back when it used to cost serious bucks to get your ideas out there....now, anyone can do it.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26652631 - 05/06/20 10:02 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I agree with you Enlil.  People don't have a right to say what they want on every site, 'The first amendment only applies to state actors.'


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26652729 - 05/06/20 10:59 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Except money, know-how, time, getting people to find out about your site, etc...




I started my own website and art business while unemployed for no money. Now I run a successful art business. It took a lot of hard work, sacrifice, and crying, but I got there. If an unemployed burnout from the 90s can do it, lots of people can.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26652863 - 05/06/20 12:21 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I already don't have free speech here, banning me would change nothing.



So you'll volunteer for the experiment?




Here's how I'm interpreting this issue. XUL already volunteered for the experiment. He not only got censored, he got banned. So now, from what I'm told,  he's posting his views on Stormfront.  So if we look at it from the bigger picture, there is increased freedom with websites being able to censor and individuals being able to find an outlet for their speech.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26652893 - 05/06/20 12:43 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I started my own website and art business while unemployed for no money. Now I run a successful art business. It took a lot of hard work, sacrifice, and crying, but I got there. If an unemployed burnout from the 90s can do it, lots of people can.

If you want something bad enough, you’ll move the Universe to make it happen.



Excellent!  So people who lose their freedom of speech have hope of finding other ways to speak.

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Here's how I'm interpreting this issue. XUL already volunteered for the experiment. He not only got censored, he got banned. So now, from what I'm told,  he's posting his views on Stormfront.  So if we look at it from the bigger picture, there is increased freedom with websites being able to censor and individuals being able to find an outlet for their speech.



"increased freedom"?  Did he not have the freedom to use Stormfront before being banned?  :shrug:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26652925 - 05/06/20 01:08 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Yes, and he still does.  But now we all have the freedom to be free of his racist bullshit.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26652936 - 05/06/20 01:16 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

What’s the complaint then?  By being censored and making my own site, now there’s multiple platforms offering different views and opinions, exponentially increasing the amount of available free speech.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26652956 - 05/06/20 01:29 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yes, and he still does.  But now we all have the freedom to be free of his racist bullshit.



Agreed.  And you call that freedom of speech.  I call it freedom from racist bullshit.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26652961 - 05/06/20 01:30 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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What’s the complaint then?  By being censored and making my own site, now there’s multiple platforms offering different views and opinions, exponentially increasing the amount of available free speech.



Who's complaining?  I'm just agreeing it's possible to find alternative platforms for speech if you lose it elsewhere.  But the freedom to use alternative platforms was ALWAYS there.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26652969 - 05/06/20 01:34 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Yes, and he still does.  But now we all have the freedom to be free of his racist bullshit.



I get it.  Kind of like when North Korea says you can't speak out against the state, it's freedom of speech to silense revolutionary bullshit!  :cookiemonster:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26652976 - 05/06/20 01:39 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I get that you're angry because you lost this one.  Just learn from it and move on.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26652982 - 05/06/20 01:43 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I'm angry because I continue to use logic, while you're calling me a troll, calling me angry, and doing anything you can to avoid logic?  I'm actually quite pleased with this discussion.  :smirk:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26652987 - 05/06/20 01:46 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I'm actually quite pleased with this discussion




That’s not logical


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26652990 - 05/06/20 01:48 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I don't know what else to tell you.  You stand alone here.  I've cited half a dozen articles, all of which explain it.  Other people here have tried to explain it.  I get that you don't get it.  I presume you never will.  Luckily, this is a very well-understood and solidified part of the law, so even if you don't get it, you're still protected by it.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26652996 - 05/06/20 01:50 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

But you're not using logic.

Try this:

Every time freedom of speech is exercised, add one point.

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Mathematically, that's two actions of free speech, but your logic counts it as one.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26653011 - 05/06/20 01:58 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I don't know what else to tell you.  I've cited half a dozen articles, all of which explain it.



We saw the body of one, which clearly explained that the first amendment doesn't apply to private actors, and you even said "The first amendment only applies to state actors."  So was your argument that not being protected by the first amendment gives actually gives you MORE free speech?  Instead of explaining, you called me a troll.



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But you're not using logic.

Try this:

Every time freedom of speech is exercised, add one point.

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1 Total free speech action

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Mathematically, that's two actions of free speech, but your logic counts it as one.



I get it.  More censorship = more free speech!  It's just simple math!!!

Shouldn't we then get rid of the first amendment then to allow the most mathematically possible free speech?

(by the way, you forgot to subtract the loss of speech from each censorship in your equation)


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26653043 - 05/06/20 02:14 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

You’ve got to be trolling at this point.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26653047 - 05/06/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

He's just dug in, and he's going to keep repeating himself.  There's no point.  He used to be way more rational, but since he's fallen in with the pro-putin propaganda crowd, it's hard to get him to ever stray from whatever hard line he's drawn.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26653054 - 05/06/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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You’ve got to be trolling at this point.




This is why I never replied.  I started replying, but then I thought better of it. 

I'm off to paint a giant dick on my ex's house.

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