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OfflineSirTripAlot
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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26651465 - 05/05/20 06:50 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

You still have the freedom to post whatever is in your mind. No one is stopping you. When you cross the websites guidelines the owner's freedom must be activated.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26651508 - 05/05/20 07:12 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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You still have the freedom to post whatever is in your mind. No one is stopping you. When you cross the websites guidelines the owner's freedom must be activated.



If I post something then it gets deleted then shroomery is stopping me so at best I only have temporary freedom of speech.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26651515 - 05/05/20 07:15 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So you'll volunteer for the experiment?



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Enlil said:
You've got to be trolling at this point






:shrug:

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26651933 - 05/06/20 12:18 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Kwyjibo said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So you'll volunteer for the experiment?



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Enlil said:
You've got to be trolling at this point



:shrug:



I'll take that as a "No thanks, I don't want to give up my freedom of speech here".  :shrug:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26652268 - 05/06/20 05:55 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'll take that as a "No thanks, I don't want to give up my freedom of speech here".  :shrug:




He/she doesn't have freedom of speech here, so there's nothing to give up.  The shroomery has freedom of speech here, and it may choose to use that freedom of speech to relay his/her message(s).

Do you want the shroomery to give up it's freedom of speech by dictating what it can or cannot relay?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Guy1980]
    #26652278 - 05/06/20 06:08 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Honestly, the constant complaining about how his free speech is being taken away is coming across as acute butthurt on this side of the screen.

We all have freedom of speech everywhere.  You are allowed to say whatever you want in this country, but you're not free from the repercussions of your speech.  That's how free speech works.  That's the point he's missing here.

You can say "KILL ALL THE JEW HOMOS" anywhere you want, but if you say it in my house, you're getting banned from my house.  It doesn't mean you can't say it anywhere else, it just means I'm not going to tolerate it in my house.  If you shout that in a Stormfront forum or meeting, I'm sure you won't get banned from Stormfront.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Guy1980] * 1
    #26652279 - 05/06/20 06:10 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

You should be able to say whatever you want to and it not be taken down because of what one person believes. That's where it's wrong and fucked up. When someone takes down something because it doesn't correlate with their agenda.

It's a big grey area. Nonetheless it's fucked, and it is happening. The left wing owners of insta and Twitter have people actively looking for conservatives to censor. To hell with them mfers without chz.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26652292 - 05/06/20 06:20 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Ovoidhunter said:
You should be able to say whatever you want to and it not be taken down because of what one person believes. That's where it's wrong and fucked up. When someone takes down something because it doesn't correlate with their agenda.




Ok, so I start a website, www.KillTheHomos.com. ; You start a website, www.BumLoveRules.com .

Should I be forced to accept and publish your comment "The owner of this site is a homophobe and should be buggered to death with a firey cactus"?

Should you be forced to accept and publish on your site "This site is full of deviants who's kids deserve to die of cancer"?

We both have opposing agendas, it's quite right that we get to use the platform we create, and pay for, to push our own agenda.

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Ovoidhunter said:It's a big grey area. Nonetheless it's fucked, and it is happening. The left wing owners of insta and Twitter have people actively looking for conservatives to censor. To hell with them mfers without chz.




So your problem is that the decision makers on the biggest platforms are left wing, and don't agree with your agenda?

The free speech aspect here means a conservative can create their own twitter (twatter?) and push their agenda censoring left wing speech.  They are free to do that.  The alternative of forcing a platform to accept all viewpoints/agendas is itself a violation of freedom of expression.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Guy1980] * 1
    #26652310 - 05/06/20 06:35 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

No. I'm not defending trolls.

Censor them by all means.

I think it's wrong to censor a group of people tho it may be legally within their rights it is morally wrong from my perspective.

I don't think someone should get censored for popping off some rounds threw their ar-15 or talking about a conspiracy theory or whatever. I could care less about an agenda it's just wrong and stupid.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26652315 - 05/06/20 06:39 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

There’s nothing stopping you from building your own site/app/platform to express your conservative views, though.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26652321 - 05/06/20 06:47 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Where does it end too? Next thing you know conservatives are physically segregated from certain places. It's not headed in a good direction for anyone that doesn't conform to their way of thinking.


If I walk threw Portland with a maga hat on I have to worry about being assaulted. For a hat.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26652340 - 05/06/20 06:58 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

No one said anything about assault, and you're already not allowed in many places based on beliefs.  That has nothing to do with speech though.

If I came by your house and dropped off 1000 flyers for an "ovidhunter is a fag" rally, should you be forced to go hand those out to people?  If you don't hand them out, you're censoring me, right?  If you throw those flyers away instead of handing them out, you've just silenced me, right?

That's your basic argument.



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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26652350 - 05/06/20 07:03 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Enlil said:
No one said anything about assault, and you're already not allowed in many place based on beliefs.  That has nothing to do with speech though.




Did I say it did? Also do you think it's okay to segregate people from certain places because of their beliefs? pretty sure we can all agree that's wrong.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26652352 - 05/06/20 07:04 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

What if we just give you the south, we’ll even say you won it like they pretend happened. The only thing is you can’t come across the border to America to work. And you can’t keep the blacks.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods] * 2
    #26652363 - 05/06/20 07:08 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

^^ calling me a racist. For no reason other than it makes him feel good.

Do you think I look back at slavery and am like "darn fucking Union army arrghh fuck I wish I could own me some slaves."  :rofl:


Right.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26652369 - 05/06/20 07:10 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Did I say it did? Also do you think it's okay to segregate people from certain places because of their beliefs? pretty sure we can all agree that's wrong.



You implied it when you asked "where does it end?" as if physical segregation is on the same track as editing speech.

And yes, it's okay to disallow people from certain places because of their beliefs.  Certain beliefs are wrong.  I know a guy who believes its okay to physically beat animals.  I don't let him in my house.  Am I wrong for that?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26652376 - 05/06/20 07:15 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I read Koods' post like a dozen times, and I can't find where he called you racist. It is interesting, however, that you'd even get that from his post.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26652380 - 05/06/20 07:19 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Fuck animal abuse. Someone killed my dogs once and I made them pay. Justice.

Absolutely some beliefs are wrong. Not mine tho. Also he definetly is implying it by saying I wish we won the civil war.. I know your bright enough to catch that.

Maybe he's just afraid of us because he has never lived in our culture and thus doesn't understand it and that's what makes him generalize us to all being racist. We have the best nicest people in the south (for the most part) and he thinks we are all racist. That's not fair.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26652385 - 05/06/20 07:21 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

He didn't say you wish you won the civil war, though.  He specifically said, "they."

There are racists everywhere, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

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That's not fair.




I wonder what your basis for comparison is.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Guy1980]
    #26652604 - 05/06/20 09:44 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Guy1980 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'll take that as a "No thanks, I don't want to give up my freedom of speech here".  :shrug:



He/she doesn't have freedom of speech here, so there's nothing to give up.



My point exactly.  So let's ban him as an experiment for a month (since both of you claim he won't lose anything) and find out whether he loses free speech or not.

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Ok, so I start a website, www.KillTheHomos.com. ; You start a website, www.BumLoveRules.com .

Should I be forced to accept and publish your comment "The owner of this site is a homophobe and should be buggered to death with a firey cactus"?

Should you be forced to accept and publish on your site "This site is full of deviants who's kids deserve to die of cancer"?

We both have opposing agendas, it's quite right that we get to use the platform we create, and pay for, to push our own agenda.



No.  I agree with you that you should be able to censor whatever speech you like on your own site.  As Enlil himself said "The first amendment only applies to state actors."  You're not forced to give everyone freedom of speech on a private site.


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