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OfflineBrian Jones
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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26646033 - 05/03/20 01:32 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I don't think so. We have fair housing laws. To the best of my knowledge, those type of media platforms are not required to accept freedom of speech.

There probably are less outlets for normal conservatives to air their views, as opposed to the extreme right which has no shortage of websites.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26646034 - 05/03/20 01:32 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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YouTube is a private company, though.  There's never been a right to say whatever you want on someone else's servers.  Shouldn't youtube be able to decide what speech they want to subsidize and what speech they don't?  If I come to your house and paint a swastika on your garage door, would you remove it?  Or would you respect my right to free speech?



Isn't that kind of like saying if I own an apartment complex and refuse to rent to non-whites, people should respect my right to private property?



The two are completely different.  Speech is protected by the first amendment, and no statute could force a person or company to publish content that it didn't want to without a compelling government interest.

The right to equal housing opportunity is statutory, so a landlord cannot discriminate in housing decisions based on race.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26646040 - 05/03/20 01:33 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Insta is the worst and don't even bring up tracebook.



Those are private companies.  Aren't you right wingers all about the government staying out of the way of business?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26646057 - 05/03/20 01:39 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

If the tech giants of the world have their way we will all end up like that George Lucas movie THX1138

Where nobody leaves their room lol.

THX 1138' is a chilling look at a 25th-century totalitarian state where mankind is stripped of any individuality. People are numbered drones, and a government-enforced program of sedating drugs controls the populace.

Isn't it crazy how a lot of these obscure sci fi stories/movies are slowly coming true?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26646060 - 05/03/20 01:41 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Nothing in your description of the movie is true today.  We don't live in a totalitarian state.  People have not been stripped of individuality.  People are not numbered.  There is no government-enforced program of sedating drugs.

So, WTF are you talking about?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26646063 - 05/03/20 01:41 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Stop calling me right-wing I'm just calling it like I see it.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26646064 - 05/03/20 01:43 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Maybe not right now but I think we a headed to something like that.

Ever see Minority report?

The stuff with the AI in peoples homes, The pre-crime, The self driving cars, all came true.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 2
    #26646069 - 05/03/20 01:43 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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I'd side with the far right.



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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26646071 - 05/03/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Maybe not right now but I think we a headed to something like that.

Ever see Minority report?

The stuff with the AI in peoples homes, The pre-crime, The self driving cars, all came true.



Lol, this isn't the conspiracy forum, dude.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26646074 - 05/03/20 01:45 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Speech is protected by the first amendment, and no statute could force a person or company to publish content that it didn't want to without a compelling government interest.

The right to equal housing opportunity is statutory, so a landlord cannot discriminate in housing decisions based on race.



You sure do find a lot of reasons why speech in the US isn't free (whistleblowing, internet chat, …  :shrug:).


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26646087 - 05/03/20 01:51 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

My guess is that you never actually read the 1st amendment. If you had, you would understand that it only stops the government from infringing on people's right to free speech. It has absolutely nothing to to with private curtailment of speech and never did. Don't blame me if you have been living under a misunderstanding of the constitution for your whole life.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26646094 - 05/03/20 01:55 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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I'd side with the far right.



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Stop calling me right-wing








You left out the part where I said "If I had too I'd side with the far right". That's a form of censorship right there. That's pretty much what people do nowadays, quote people out of context.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26646100 - 05/03/20 01:56 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Yeah, but I figure you actually would appreciate it since it seems to be your favorite tactic.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil]
    #26646105 - 05/03/20 01:57 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I got nothing against you Enlil. I'd hope if we were to meet in real life we'd be capable of putting aside our differences and interacting like humans. After all who cares about any of this stuff that much. Not Me.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26646132 - 05/03/20 02:14 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

We'd hug it out, bro.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26646228 - 05/03/20 03:03 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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My guess is that you never actually read the 1st amendment. If you had, you would understand that it only stops the government from infringing on people's right to free speech. It has absolutely nothing to to with private curtailment of speech and never did. Don't blame me if you have been living under a misunderstanding of the constitution for your whole life.



Your guess would not only be surprisingly silly, but easily disproven.

I understand your point, that we don't get free speech in this country on private company platforms.  In times such as this (coronavirus shut-down), where 99.9% of all communication is on private company platforms, there's pretty much no free speech required right now by your logic.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26646262 - 05/03/20 03:21 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

That's not true.  It costs pennies a day to host a website.  You can make a website with whatever nonsense you want on it.  Why are you entitled to have someone else pay for you to publish your speech?  You don't see how reprehensible it would be to force someone to pay to publish speech with which they disagree?  Should synagogues be forced to allow Nazi flyers be handed out at their services?  Should plumbing companies be forced to allow competitors to put signs on their trucks? 

Should this website be forced to publish D.A.R.E. propaganda?  Where does it end?  At what point does an individual have the freedom not to support ideas he disagrees with?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26646274 - 05/03/20 03:25 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Then again, try arguing that with tech companies.

Those hundred page long agreements they make you agree to are carefully crafted by lawyers.

I have a friend that is a paralegal, he says those things are tricky for him to read and its what he does for a living.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 1
    #26646344 - 05/03/20 03:50 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

How do they make you agree , if you don’t agree don’t click the box . It’s your finger .


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26646351 - 05/03/20 03:52 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

The terms of use of my house aren't even disclosed.  If you violate them, even ones I just made up on the spot, I might kick you the fuck out.  Why shouldn't youtube have the same privileges?  Last I heard, youtube isn't charging people to use it.


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