|
SirTripAlot
Semper Fidelis



Registered: 01/11/05
Posts: 7,782
Loc: Harmless (Mostly)
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods] 1
#26445155 - 01/21/20 08:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 107,128
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 22 minutes, 14 seconds
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26445178 - 01/21/20 08:23 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I think they got the message that the public views them in a dim light
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
1uptoadstool
procrastinator



Registered: 09/01/19
Posts: 324
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
#26445211 - 01/21/20 08:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
christopera said: Thomas Jefferson;
Quote:
When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
The problem with this quote is that there's no proof Thomas Jefferson said it. Yet it gets peddles as proof that this is what the second amendment is for all the time.
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/aug/19/facebook-posts/jefferson-didnt-say-people-should-be-armed-protect/
I think every American needs to read the federalist papers. It explains the founders reasoning behind each amendment of the constitution. here's quotes regarding the 2nd amendment. Not all of these are from the federalist papers.
“A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined…” – George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
“On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence … I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
“To disarm the people…s the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.” – Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.” – James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
“…the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone…” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” – William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” – Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803
“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.” – Thomas Paine, “Thoughts on Defensive War” in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775
“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
“The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.” – Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
“What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty …. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” – Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789
“For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787
“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
“f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.” – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788
“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” – Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789
--------------------
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 107,128
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 22 minutes, 14 seconds
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: 1uptoadstool] 1
#26445287 - 01/21/20 09:39 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
There are so many fabricated quotes attributed to the founding fathers. Most of those are likely made up, and without reliable sourcing should be treated as such
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
1uptoadstool
procrastinator



Registered: 09/01/19
Posts: 324
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods] 2
#26445611 - 01/22/20 04:32 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: There are so many fabricated quotes attributed to the founding fathers. Most of those are likely made up, and without reliable sourcing should be treated as such
The federalist papers were a series of 85 essays published in new york newspapers in 1787 and 1788 to urge citizens to ratify the constitution. then hamilton put them all together in one book called the federalist in 1788.
The original copy is under glass at the library of congress. and the library of congress website has the text word for word. I'd say that's a pretty reliable source.
https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers
--------------------
|
christopera
Stranger


Registered: 10/13/17
Posts: 14,471
Last seen: 9 minutes, 46 seconds
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: 1uptoadstool]
#26445715 - 01/22/20 06:56 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The Federalist papers aren't law, and while we can try to derive as much context from them as we like, it hardly matters because we have 250 years of precedent to go by. That said, my favorite part of the armed Militia is that it was used to quash and discourage slave rebellions. So I'd say George Mason was speaking from experience when he said;
Quote:
“To disarm the people…s the most effectual way to enslave them.”
-------------------- Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result. A Dorito is pizza, change my mind. Bank and Union with The Shroomery at the Zuul on The internet - now with %'s and things I’m sorry it had to be me.
Edited by christopera (01/22/20 06:59 AM)
|
1uptoadstool
procrastinator



Registered: 09/01/19
Posts: 324
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
#26445917 - 01/22/20 09:20 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
christopera said: The Federalist papers aren't law, and while we can try to derive as much context from them as we like, it hardly matters because we have 250 years of precedent to go by. That said, my favorite part of the armed Militia is that it was used to quash and discourage slave rebellions. So I'd say George Mason was speaking from experience when he said;
Quote:
“To disarm the people…s the most effectual way to enslave them.”
they're an explaination of their reasoning behind the amendments they wrote which ARE law.
speaking of Mason's quote did you see the pics of black dudes at the rally that had shirts on that said "black guns matter"?
--------------------
Edited by 1uptoadstool (01/22/20 09:23 AM)
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 107,128
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 22 minutes, 14 seconds
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: 1uptoadstool] 1
#26445927 - 01/22/20 09:25 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
More identity politics from the right.

Where’s his African American ?
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
deucedbi9
Stranger


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 4,635
Loc: UK
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
#26445954 - 01/22/20 09:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: More identity politics from the right.

Where’s his African American ?
The guy on the left got suspiciously curly hairs, and whos to say fat white shirt guys granma (he def looks like he'd luv ta suck curly boi) weren't black as the preverbial ace of spades? How many generations before you look cracker white?
-------------------- whether low pressure sucks or high pressure blows... it's a bugger to cycle in. even though I'm feeling good Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 107,128
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 22 minutes, 14 seconds
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: deucedbi9]
#26445970 - 01/22/20 09:46 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
It takes about from August to November
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
SirTripAlot
Semper Fidelis



Registered: 01/11/05
Posts: 7,782
Loc: Harmless (Mostly)
Last seen: 1 day, 3 hours
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods] 1
#26445991 - 01/22/20 09:57 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I heard it was a play on words as thier last name was "Black".
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 30,491
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 8 days, 15 hours
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26446238 - 01/22/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
What a piece of work
|
1uptoadstool
procrastinator



Registered: 09/01/19
Posts: 324
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
#26446360 - 01/22/20 01:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: More identity politics from the right.

Where’s his African American ?
maybe they "feel" african american on the inside Koods. Race is just a social construct geez be more progressive.
--------------------
|
Herbologist
Grrratata



Registered: 05/09/10
Posts: 7,471
Loc: Casa Bonita
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: 1uptoadstool] 5
#26446369 - 01/22/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Those are probably some fake ass photos that Koods couldn't wait to post.
Propaganda enthusiast #1.
-------------------- Shroomery Law: Don't piss off the leftist mods & their friends!
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 30,491
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 8 days, 15 hours
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist]
#26446478 - 01/22/20 02:21 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
What a piece of work.
|
feldman114
Stragler


Registered: 09/06/19
Posts: 3,365
Loc: Bravos
Last seen: 4 years, 25 days
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: twighead]
#26446497 - 01/22/20 02:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson
99% of the arguments presented in the Federalist Papers don’t hold up under 2020 scrutiny. No matter how many handguns and ak47s the citizens have, they won’t be enough to overthrow the US govt, if the need arises. FFS they can shoot me with a laser from outer space, blow me up with unmanned aircrafts or poison me with weaponized viruses. Wtf am I supposed to shoot at?
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 22,488
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: twighead] 3
#26446504 - 01/22/20 02:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
|
Sulfurshelfsean
Defender of Cubes


Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 4 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26448688 - 01/23/20 05:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Ballsalsa just made the best point ive ever seen made on this site.
--------------------
   Everything is better when it is done ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN!
|
1uptoadstool
procrastinator



Registered: 09/01/19
Posts: 324
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: feldman114] 1
#26448810 - 01/23/20 06:40 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
feldman114 said:
99% of the arguments presented in the Federalist Papers don’t hold up under 2020 scrutiny. No matter how many handguns and ak47s the citizens have, they won’t be enough to overthrow the US govt, if the need arises. FFS they can shoot me with a laser from outer space, blow me up with unmanned aircrafts or poison me with weaponized viruses. Wtf am I supposed to shoot at?
Sounds like something a pussy would say
--------------------
|
Sulfurshelfsean
Defender of Cubes


Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 4 hours, 3 minutes
|
Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: 1uptoadstool] 1
#26448823 - 01/23/20 06:51 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
1uptoadstool said:
Quote:
feldman114 said:
99% of the arguments presented in the Federalist Papers don’t hold up under 2020 scrutiny. No matter how many handguns and ak47s the citizens have, they won’t be enough to overthrow the US govt, if the need arises. FFS they can shoot me with a laser from outer space, blow me up with unmanned aircrafts or poison me with weaponized viruses. Wtf am I supposed to shoot at?
Sounds like something a pussy would say
Sounds like something a george soros conspiracy nutter would say...
--------------------
   Everything is better when it is done ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN!
|
|