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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26322854 - 11/15/19 03:56 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

On? The earth?
You ask vague or rhetorical questions and get mad when you get vague answers.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26322861 - 11/15/19 04:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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The fact is the 2nd amendment has been kept as an amorphous blob to fit public opinion and lobbyist sway.



Unfortunately a lot of the constitution is like this



The constitution itself is, but there’s tons of official documents and legal precedent that can be looked at to ascertain definitions.  Like in the case of the 1st amendment, if I asked “what is speech” you could give me a reasonable definition of what the supreme court currently considers a type of speech and then look at lower court decisions for fringe cases.

However that’s not so much the case with something like “A well regulated militia” as there seems to be no ruling as to what that really means, if it matters, how to tell someone is in a militia, what about poorly regulated militias, etc.  All questions answerable if talking about speech but get muddy around the 2nd amendment.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26322869 - 11/15/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A well regulated militia was a military.  I do not think it meant beer drinking paranoid racist govt bombing rednecks.

Every state has a militia and those are the National Guard.

There will never be enough organization for any movment that will win civilians verses govt.  Unless the Govt seriously loses massive funding.

They already are reducing what is legal basis to have a gun.  Be convicted of domestic violence, suffer from ptsd or depression, addicted to drugs. It is no wonder they don't take your guns for an alcohol addiction.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26322892 - 11/15/19 04:22 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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StygianKnight said:
On? The earth?
You ask vague or rhetorical questions and get mad when you get vague answers.




I don't get mad.  I did make another faulty assumption that you would understand that i was asking about your position with regard to the topic of the thread we are currently posting in though.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26322899 - 11/15/19 04:27 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Cool dude whatever you say.

Edited by StygianKnight (11/15/19 04:37 PM)

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight] * 1
    #26322943 - 11/15/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know about that.  I say a lot of things


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26323306 - 11/15/19 07:23 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Most of the shroomery gun nuts are either criminals to start with

Or veterans that signed up to be heros after 911 and invaded an innocent people.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26323402 - 11/15/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

No, but the shroomery happens to be populated with the most gun loving demographic - 20 something males.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26324174 - 11/16/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The situation in Hong Kong doubtfully could be helped by interjecting guns. Hopefully HK can build a tradition of resistance and freedom that is hard to break back. In France, the workers have such a higher standard of living because they are willing to strike and take to the streets. Recently the resistance to US backed coups in south America have been beaten back by popular movements, unlike in the 80's where you had socialist instead resorting to armed resistance. They are much more successful these days.

Gun laws arnt going to matter if there is a rebellion against the US government, look the Algerian revolutionary war, and Cuban to a lesser extent armed themselves by attacking thier enemies. Now with modern asymmetrical war, IED's, drones, and industrial sabotage/cyber war will play large parts in any future conflicts. So gun laws don't matter then.  When outlaws have guns, guns will be outlawed


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Johnny Dont]
    #26324407 - 11/16/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Lol, small arms will not defeat China.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Johnny Dont]
    #26325255 - 11/16/19 06:28 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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The situation in Hong Kong doubtfully could be helped by interjecting guns. Hopefully HK can build a tradition of resistance and freedom that is hard to break back. In France, the workers have such a higher standard of living because they are willing to strike and take to the streets. Recently the resistance to US backed coups in south America have been beaten back by popular movements, unlike in the 80's where you had socialist instead resorting to armed resistance. They are much more successful these days.

Gun laws arnt going to matter if there is a rebellion against the US government, look the Algerian revolutionary war, and Cuban to a lesser extent armed themselves by attacking thier enemies. Now with modern asymmetrical war, IED's, drones, and industrial sabotage/cyber war will play large parts in any future conflicts. So gun laws don't matter then.  When outlaws have guns, guns will be outlawed




I'm not agreeing with much of this. If and when China decides to clamp down on Hong Kong they will break the resistance, just as the USSR did to Czechoslavakia in 1968. I agree with your take on France. I'm not sure if I'm understanding your passage on Latin America, but the part I understand I disagree with. The Cuban revolution in the late 50's and the Sandinistas in the late 70's were much more successful than any resistance since then. The U.S. won't have a rebellion. Maybe we aren't a middle class country any more but we are a lower middle class country. People still have it too good to risk their lives. I'm more or less agreeing with your argument on the changing weapons of war, and the declining significance of conventional guns.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26325295 - 11/16/19 06:53 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

In America, it is more the image of simple folks clutching a bible in one hand and a gun in the orher.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26325371 - 11/16/19 07:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Are you from the US?  Why does everything you say about gun owners have to be that they are red neck Christians?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26325527 - 11/16/19 09:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

As an American who lives in the South, and has lived elsewhere, the stereotype of rural white folk clinging to guns and bibles certainly holds up. OBVIOUSLY this doesn’t accurately depict all gun owners but I see it everyday.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26325582 - 11/16/19 09:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Can confirm, having grown up in Idaho :lol:

Oregon backcountry trails: Pretty damn clean just about everywhere I've gone

Idaho backcountry: Go 60+ miles away from any inhabited place and there's still rifle/shotgun shells, beer bottles everywhere, and gunshots in the trees and signs. :lol:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26325824 - 11/17/19 12:29 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I say it because these are political images that accurately reflect the political situation.  Akin to the ak47 for the commie rebel.

There's been more than enough examples thoughput history of bad political movements because people were armed.  There has been almost no example of freedom from average citizans being armed.  The American revolution did not bring freedom to these lands.  No matter how much propaganda romanticizes.

The world is in a bad way.  Leadership fails at every corner because they are brainwashed and rather not upset public opinion.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26326242 - 11/17/19 08:14 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I say it because these are political images that accurately reflect the political situation.  Akin to the ak47 for the commie rebel.

There's been more than enough examples thoughput history of bad political movements because people were armed.  There has been almost no example of freedom from average citizans being armed.  The American revolution did not bring freedom to these lands.  No matter how much propaganda romanticizes.

The world is in a bad way.  Leadership fails at every corner because they are brainwashed and rather not upset public opinion.



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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. *DELETED* [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26332882 - 11/20/19 08:03 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: drege] * 1
    #26332892 - 11/20/19 08:13 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Its time to log out forever dumbfucks, you will never change the minds of your opponents.

ONE LAST TIME, YOU CANNOT CHANGE ANYONES MIND, STOP TRYING SO HARD.



I'm not gonna log off forever.  Guess you didn't change my mind.  :wink:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26333042 - 11/20/19 09:13 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Ah yes, the good ol dissociative rage that gun owning Americans have.


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