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OfflineHerbologist
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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Zyiadem] * 1
    #26322310 - 11/15/19 12:07 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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393,347,000 is the estimated number of guns in Americans possession. 1,073,743 is the registered number of guns.

Having more weapons than all of the police forces in America combined, coupled with the fact that you would need to make other American citizens (army, police, nat. gaurd) kill fellow citizens (which in itself is an act of tyranny).
Same goes for using nukes (not even counting the irreparable damage that using such weapons would do to the environment/economy) Would immediately invalidate any leaders claim that they are fit to rule, even in the event of a full blown revolt. Likewise using tanks and drone strikes on your own country is a surefire way to lose the citizens confidence.

The Armed forces, which is mainly made up of southern/mideast state residents, would experience mass desertion the moment it was used in the effort to disarm civilians. So their only hope is to legislate it away bit by bit, that is why we are so vehemently against amendment infringing legislation.

3d Printing has changed the nature of what a gun can be, Namely a first amendment protected document, So as you try to remove that you already begin a legal advance against your own rights.

I already posted DIY scrap metal arms, which can be made from the contents of any homedepot/lowes/ACE for 1/6 the cost of a manufactured firearm.

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You're entirely correct and old heads like Koods will never understand.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26322325 - 11/15/19 12:18 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A 3d printer file is a 1A issue, while a 3d printer file for a gun is 2A issue. Having a Court apply a decision that 3d files for a gun sets a legal precedent against the 1A because of course you cannot shoot anything out of the file, likewise the documents I shared in earlier posts for DIY guns could be targeted under that same ruling, despite not actually being a gun.

A cunning lawyer with a similarly aligned judge could easily use that precedent to harm other 1A rights under the guise of national security just like they did with the patriot act.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #26322336 - 11/15/19 12:25 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder what percentage of U.S. citizens posses a 3d printer capable of printing gun parts?

I bet if we did some digging the NRA was against the release of those files.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Zyiadem] * 2
    #26322414 - 11/15/19 12:58 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

The US citizens stand no chance against the US Military!


US Military: Loses wars in Middle East to men with AK47s in pajamas lol. 


You people talk out of both sides of your mouth.  The Ar15 is a weapon of war it must be taken off the streets!

You ar15 stands no chance in combat! :lol:



This is the typical playing out of this debate so I am not surprised.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26322429 - 11/15/19 01:04 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

What a comparison :lolsy:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26322434 - 11/15/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

It's really a moot point. The US doesn't fight separatist/revolutionary movements by letting them get big and then killing and disarming everyone - they just infiltrate any movement before it gets to that point and frame them, tear them apart from within, encumber the leadership and they fall apart from within before they're an actual threat.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: twighead]
    #26322444 - 11/15/19 01:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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It's funny none of you care that your first amendment rights get gutted as long as guns go down with them.




Because it’s total bullshit. The first amendment doesn’t depend on an armed populace. This is gun nut masturbatory fantasy.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26322467 - 11/15/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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It's funny none of you care that your first amendment rights get gutted as long as guns go down with them.




Because it’s total bullshit. The first amendment doesn’t depend on an armed populace. This is gun nut masturbatory fantasy.





It  doesn't?  What's your proof of that?






In before you say Australia or some dumb shit answer like that.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #26322550 - 11/15/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

lol are comparisons of other nations off limits?

If not, then guns typically correlate negatively with “free speech.”


Y’all do realize the first amendment is about the free press and free assembly and freedom of religion more than it is the ability to say the n word on college campuses, right?

Then again the 2nd amendment is about a well regulated militia. Our trillion dollar military made that irrelevant.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26322588 - 11/15/19 02:04 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A 3d printed gun and a 3d printer file are not the same thing.  If you think they are, you’ve never used a 3d printer.  It takes more than just loading up a file to produce a working weapon on par with something that can be bought in a store.  To say that people who are against easy access to weapons are obviously against 3d printed files is just not true.

Now, when 3d printers become replicators and it’s possible to produce a functionally similar replica to an AR-15 then there will be some issues and you can mark my words the NRA will be the first out against it, because no matter what they say, they are a lobbyist organization first and for-most, they only care about gun rights so long as they make money.  They will almost certainly claim they are trying to be responsible and protect the public from the mass of guns that don’t make them any money.

This isn’t new territory, the government has already banned files from use.  Just try to scan, open or print a US bill.  Photoshop since around V5 will gag, choke and spit an error if you try and load a high res version of a $100.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26322689 - 11/15/19 02:45 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Herbologist said:
Quote:

Zyiadem said:
393,347,000 is the estimated number of guns in Americans possession. 1,073,743 is the registered number of guns.

Having more weapons than all of the police forces in America combined, coupled with the fact that you would need to make other American citizens (army, police, nat. gaurd) kill fellow citizens (which in itself is an act of tyranny).
Same goes for using nukes (not even counting the irreparable damage that using such weapons would do to the environment/economy) Would immediately invalidate any leaders claim that they are fit to rule, even in the event of a full blown revolt. Likewise using tanks and drone strikes on your own country is a surefire way to lose the citizens confidence.

The Armed forces, which is mainly made up of southern/mideast state residents, would experience mass desertion the moment it was used in the effort to disarm civilians. So their only hope is to legislate it away bit by bit, that is why we are so vehemently against amendment infringing legislation.

3d Printing has changed the nature of what a gun can be, Namely a first amendment protected document, So as you try to remove that you already begin a legal advance against your own rights.

I already posted DIY scrap metal arms, which can be made from the contents of any homedepot/lowes/ACE for 1/6 the cost of a manufactured firearm.

Armed Forces Sources =D

Source




You're entirely correct and old heads like Koods will never understand.


Finally someone who fucking gets it.




You just entirely agreed with someone who said "The Armed forces, which is mainly made up of southern/mideast state residents". It's geographically ridiculous and he capitalized "Armed" for no apparent reason. And this is "Finally someone who fucking gets it"?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26322724 - 11/15/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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It's funny none of you care that your first amendment rights get gutted as long as guns go down with them.




Because it’s total bullshit. The first amendment doesn’t depend on an armed populace. This is gun nut masturbatory fantasy.





It  doesn't?  What's your proof of that?






In before you say Australia or some dumb shit answer like that.




Except for limitations on hate speech in other western countries, freedom of speech has not been curtailed despite their lack of a right to own firearms. Maybe you are trying to say that hate speech is protected by the second amendment


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight] * 1
    #26322786 - 11/15/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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A rhetorical question is one that makes a statement and isn’t looking for a real answer.
You clearly weren’t asking a question but were making a statement.  That makes it a rhetorical question.  As in, you knew the answer.

Good, I’m glad you’ve figured out the basics, now I’d like to sell you this Van that certainly contains a method for slowing down.  Interested?




Yes, that is what a rhetorical question is.
The question I asked was in order to attempt to ascertain what, exactly, your position is.
From where i sit, it seems as though you have an irrational fear of firearms and firearms owners.  Additionally, it seems as though you are in favor of a legislative solution that side-steps questions with regard to what extent the 2nd amendment can, in fact, be infringed.  You don't seem to like the idea of amending the constitution directly in order to modify the 2nd, presumably because you don't believe that the political will exists for such a process.

Sorry if any of that is wild assumption.  Unfortunately, that's all I have to go off of because of your evasive answers


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26322799 - 11/15/19 03:32 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Except for limitations on hate speech in other western countries, freedom of speech has not been curtailed despite their lack of a right to own firearms. Maybe you are trying to say that hate speech is protected by the second amendment




I'll bet the Hong Kong police are glad for the stringent firearms restrictions over there


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26322808 - 11/15/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

The protestors aren’t doing too badly.

How do you think a protest that size would go down in this country if the protestors were armed? Think about it.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods] * 1
    #26322817 - 11/15/19 03:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

We have the most highly armed population in the world and our police kill us at a rate 100s of times higher than other countries. This argument that guns are a prophylactic against tyranny and protect our freedoms is demonstrably false. We have the most tyrannical police force in the civilized world.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26322825 - 11/15/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Ah I see.  If you want to know someone’s position, a great way to find out is to ask them what their position is.

Your assumptions are interesting but quite wrong.  Given I’m both a previous firearms owner and the number of people I know who have died by gunshot wound is higher than zero, I would say I have a healthy understanding of what these weapons can do, and frankly think many people who argue in favor of the wild west have a poor respect for weapons and probably don’t have real world experience using them.  So many users casually admit to breaking basic gun rules that no I don’t trust anyone behind me with a loaded weapon that hasn’t been properly trained and cleared.  I’ve also yet to be accidentally shot, something not all gun owners can say.

Notice how we always talk about the second amendment not specific parts in it?  I challenge you to give me a solid definition of “Arms” and “well regulated militia” that matches what we have today.  The fact is the 2nd amendment has been kept as an amorphous blob to fit public opinion and lobbyist sway.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26322837 - 11/15/19 03:51 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

According the Supreme Court, a firearm is a gun that can be held in one’s arms. Weapons that are too heavy, large or clumsy to be held and fired by a single person are not considered firearms in the context of the second amendment.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight] * 1
    #26322842 - 11/15/19 03:52 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

So what is your position?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26322851 - 11/15/19 03:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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The fact is the 2nd amendment has been kept as an amorphous blob to fit public opinion and lobbyist sway.



Unfortunately a lot of the constitution is like this


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